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Mysterious bitter taste from tropical fruits and coconut
Is there a difference in the taste/seeds of egg-sized eggplants, and long and slim eggplants?Cooking Chemistry: lemon juice/soymilk buttermilk substitute turning bitter and 'rising'Why does commercial brown (whole wheat) bread taste bitter?How to know whether a coconut is ripe or rancid before buyingShelf life and Validation of Coconut Milk?Can I make any modern improvements to this Russian cake recipe from 1971?Tartine + Sourdough TasteGluten free baked good coming out bitterCoconut Cookies have bitter underlying tastePotato chips lose crunch and taste within a week
I cook every day, and today I had an experience I am at a total loss to explain. I am hoping the combined knowledge of the Internet can help.
Today, I decided to make a tropical fruit custard. Being as it's passover, it contained matzoh meal. I blended the ingredients together, and it tasted fine--a little bland, but fine. I sprayed a casserole dish with canola oil, and poured in the mixture. 30 minutes later, I test it for doneness with my finger, then taste the batter on my finger. It was BITTER! Not curdled milk, not sour, not anything but overwhelming bitterness, like I was chewing on the pith of a grapefruit.
I ate some raisins to cleanse my palette, drank a glass of water, and tried again with a spoon. BITTER. I called down my fiance, who loves this sort of thing. (I was making it for her.) She made a face and said "bitter!" In three letters, WTH? Any help would be very welcome.
- 2 cups Goya frozen coconut
- 1 cup frozen mango
- 1 cup frozen pineapple
- 1/2 tsp Vanns Spices coconut extract (propylene glycol base)
- 1 tsp homemade vanilla (Madagascar beans, vodka base)
- 1 cup matzo meal
- 1 cup Breakstones lowfat cottage cheese
- 1 cup Wegman's egg white
- 1/2 cup Fage 0% greek yogurt
- 1/2 cup Breakstone's lowfat sour cream
- 2 tbsp sugar
- 1 tsp molasses
These are all ingredients that I use routinely, with the exception of the Vanns. None of them are particularly bitter. (Molasses is slightly bitter, of course, but nothing like this.)
I had cleaned the casserole dish two days earlier, dried it by hand, and put it on the shelf. I washed the pan with soap and a scrubbing pad. Its preceding use was in roasting tomatoes. Burnt tomatoes can be bitter, but not like this, and anyways, it was pretty clean. It definitely didn't taste like soap.
Does propylene glycol have some kind of reaction where it can turn into hell bitter juice? What else can it be?
baking ingredient-selection
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I cook every day, and today I had an experience I am at a total loss to explain. I am hoping the combined knowledge of the Internet can help.
Today, I decided to make a tropical fruit custard. Being as it's passover, it contained matzoh meal. I blended the ingredients together, and it tasted fine--a little bland, but fine. I sprayed a casserole dish with canola oil, and poured in the mixture. 30 minutes later, I test it for doneness with my finger, then taste the batter on my finger. It was BITTER! Not curdled milk, not sour, not anything but overwhelming bitterness, like I was chewing on the pith of a grapefruit.
I ate some raisins to cleanse my palette, drank a glass of water, and tried again with a spoon. BITTER. I called down my fiance, who loves this sort of thing. (I was making it for her.) She made a face and said "bitter!" In three letters, WTH? Any help would be very welcome.
- 2 cups Goya frozen coconut
- 1 cup frozen mango
- 1 cup frozen pineapple
- 1/2 tsp Vanns Spices coconut extract (propylene glycol base)
- 1 tsp homemade vanilla (Madagascar beans, vodka base)
- 1 cup matzo meal
- 1 cup Breakstones lowfat cottage cheese
- 1 cup Wegman's egg white
- 1/2 cup Fage 0% greek yogurt
- 1/2 cup Breakstone's lowfat sour cream
- 2 tbsp sugar
- 1 tsp molasses
These are all ingredients that I use routinely, with the exception of the Vanns. None of them are particularly bitter. (Molasses is slightly bitter, of course, but nothing like this.)
I had cleaned the casserole dish two days earlier, dried it by hand, and put it on the shelf. I washed the pan with soap and a scrubbing pad. Its preceding use was in roasting tomatoes. Burnt tomatoes can be bitter, but not like this, and anyways, it was pretty clean. It definitely didn't taste like soap.
Does propylene glycol have some kind of reaction where it can turn into hell bitter juice? What else can it be?
baking ingredient-selection
1
Welcome to the site! Thank you for such a detailed and fully explained question, we'd love to see more of these here!
– Stephie♦
Apr 10 '15 at 6:30
I'm glad you brought this up, I still have a little to add to this subject, but I am not completely finished with my research.
– Chef_Code
Apr 10 '15 at 6:38
add a comment |
I cook every day, and today I had an experience I am at a total loss to explain. I am hoping the combined knowledge of the Internet can help.
Today, I decided to make a tropical fruit custard. Being as it's passover, it contained matzoh meal. I blended the ingredients together, and it tasted fine--a little bland, but fine. I sprayed a casserole dish with canola oil, and poured in the mixture. 30 minutes later, I test it for doneness with my finger, then taste the batter on my finger. It was BITTER! Not curdled milk, not sour, not anything but overwhelming bitterness, like I was chewing on the pith of a grapefruit.
I ate some raisins to cleanse my palette, drank a glass of water, and tried again with a spoon. BITTER. I called down my fiance, who loves this sort of thing. (I was making it for her.) She made a face and said "bitter!" In three letters, WTH? Any help would be very welcome.
- 2 cups Goya frozen coconut
- 1 cup frozen mango
- 1 cup frozen pineapple
- 1/2 tsp Vanns Spices coconut extract (propylene glycol base)
- 1 tsp homemade vanilla (Madagascar beans, vodka base)
- 1 cup matzo meal
- 1 cup Breakstones lowfat cottage cheese
- 1 cup Wegman's egg white
- 1/2 cup Fage 0% greek yogurt
- 1/2 cup Breakstone's lowfat sour cream
- 2 tbsp sugar
- 1 tsp molasses
These are all ingredients that I use routinely, with the exception of the Vanns. None of them are particularly bitter. (Molasses is slightly bitter, of course, but nothing like this.)
I had cleaned the casserole dish two days earlier, dried it by hand, and put it on the shelf. I washed the pan with soap and a scrubbing pad. Its preceding use was in roasting tomatoes. Burnt tomatoes can be bitter, but not like this, and anyways, it was pretty clean. It definitely didn't taste like soap.
Does propylene glycol have some kind of reaction where it can turn into hell bitter juice? What else can it be?
baking ingredient-selection
I cook every day, and today I had an experience I am at a total loss to explain. I am hoping the combined knowledge of the Internet can help.
Today, I decided to make a tropical fruit custard. Being as it's passover, it contained matzoh meal. I blended the ingredients together, and it tasted fine--a little bland, but fine. I sprayed a casserole dish with canola oil, and poured in the mixture. 30 minutes later, I test it for doneness with my finger, then taste the batter on my finger. It was BITTER! Not curdled milk, not sour, not anything but overwhelming bitterness, like I was chewing on the pith of a grapefruit.
I ate some raisins to cleanse my palette, drank a glass of water, and tried again with a spoon. BITTER. I called down my fiance, who loves this sort of thing. (I was making it for her.) She made a face and said "bitter!" In three letters, WTH? Any help would be very welcome.
- 2 cups Goya frozen coconut
- 1 cup frozen mango
- 1 cup frozen pineapple
- 1/2 tsp Vanns Spices coconut extract (propylene glycol base)
- 1 tsp homemade vanilla (Madagascar beans, vodka base)
- 1 cup matzo meal
- 1 cup Breakstones lowfat cottage cheese
- 1 cup Wegman's egg white
- 1/2 cup Fage 0% greek yogurt
- 1/2 cup Breakstone's lowfat sour cream
- 2 tbsp sugar
- 1 tsp molasses
These are all ingredients that I use routinely, with the exception of the Vanns. None of them are particularly bitter. (Molasses is slightly bitter, of course, but nothing like this.)
I had cleaned the casserole dish two days earlier, dried it by hand, and put it on the shelf. I washed the pan with soap and a scrubbing pad. Its preceding use was in roasting tomatoes. Burnt tomatoes can be bitter, but not like this, and anyways, it was pretty clean. It definitely didn't taste like soap.
Does propylene glycol have some kind of reaction where it can turn into hell bitter juice? What else can it be?
baking ingredient-selection
baking ingredient-selection
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Welcome to the site! Thank you for such a detailed and fully explained question, we'd love to see more of these here!
– Stephie♦
Apr 10 '15 at 6:30
I'm glad you brought this up, I still have a little to add to this subject, but I am not completely finished with my research.
– Chef_Code
Apr 10 '15 at 6:38
add a comment |
1
Welcome to the site! Thank you for such a detailed and fully explained question, we'd love to see more of these here!
– Stephie♦
Apr 10 '15 at 6:30
I'm glad you brought this up, I still have a little to add to this subject, but I am not completely finished with my research.
– Chef_Code
Apr 10 '15 at 6:38
1
1
Welcome to the site! Thank you for such a detailed and fully explained question, we'd love to see more of these here!
– Stephie♦
Apr 10 '15 at 6:30
Welcome to the site! Thank you for such a detailed and fully explained question, we'd love to see more of these here!
– Stephie♦
Apr 10 '15 at 6:30
I'm glad you brought this up, I still have a little to add to this subject, but I am not completely finished with my research.
– Chef_Code
Apr 10 '15 at 6:38
I'm glad you brought this up, I still have a little to add to this subject, but I am not completely finished with my research.
– Chef_Code
Apr 10 '15 at 6:38
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The culprit is the pineapple.
Raw pineapple contains bromelain, an enzyme that breaks down the protein in your milk, making it bitter. The same principle is applied when bromelain is used as meat tenderizer, either as powdered additive or as fruit-based brine.
This process takes a short while, so if you used pineapple in your cereal and eat it right away, it will not be bitter (unless the enzyme content in your fruit is excepitonally high), but after 30 minutes it will be noticeable.
Bromelaine will also keeping gelatine from firming up. Heating destroys the enzyme, so canned pineapple is perfectly "safe".
Other fruit with similar properties are papaya (papain) and kiwifruit (actinidin).
This article explains it a bit more in detail.
1
Exactly what I was going to say, I was just researching this today along with papain which is also a meat tenderizer found in papaya. I believe there is also an enzyme similar to both the bromelain and the papain, found in mango's as well. Always be cautious when using tropical fruits and dairy, kiwi's another fruit that has a natural meat tenderizer.
– Chef_Code
Apr 10 '15 at 6:35
So cooking the pineapple would have prevented the bitterness? That's good to know, great answer @Stephie!
– GdD
Apr 10 '15 at 7:28
@GdD: absolutely. Always keep dairy products and gelatin apart from pineapple, kiwi and the likes. Actually, that's why I prefer canned pineapple for dairy-based deserts and cake fillings. (And I'm someone who always uses fresh produce whenever possible.) Canned pineapple come unsweetened, too.
– Stephie♦
Apr 10 '15 at 7:33
1
Oh, that's why that milk and kiwi smoothie I drank years ago tasted terrible.
– Agos
Apr 17 '15 at 8:38
2
@RachelS the enzymes will react with various proteins (one of the reasons pineapple is sometimes used in meat marinades where it softens the meat), but I can’t say whether they will always create bitter compounds. The meat example suggest that there are cases where it’s ok. I have no experience with hemp „milk“ or similar.
– Stephie♦
Jan 11 '18 at 15:23
|
show 3 more comments
Is it ok to top grilled canned pineapple slices with yogurt or cottage cheese for 4 hours in the fridge??
Am I taking a risk that it might turn bitter in taste?
I have to take it for potluck.
Please advise
New contributor
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The culprit is the pineapple.
Raw pineapple contains bromelain, an enzyme that breaks down the protein in your milk, making it bitter. The same principle is applied when bromelain is used as meat tenderizer, either as powdered additive or as fruit-based brine.
This process takes a short while, so if you used pineapple in your cereal and eat it right away, it will not be bitter (unless the enzyme content in your fruit is excepitonally high), but after 30 minutes it will be noticeable.
Bromelaine will also keeping gelatine from firming up. Heating destroys the enzyme, so canned pineapple is perfectly "safe".
Other fruit with similar properties are papaya (papain) and kiwifruit (actinidin).
This article explains it a bit more in detail.
1
Exactly what I was going to say, I was just researching this today along with papain which is also a meat tenderizer found in papaya. I believe there is also an enzyme similar to both the bromelain and the papain, found in mango's as well. Always be cautious when using tropical fruits and dairy, kiwi's another fruit that has a natural meat tenderizer.
– Chef_Code
Apr 10 '15 at 6:35
So cooking the pineapple would have prevented the bitterness? That's good to know, great answer @Stephie!
– GdD
Apr 10 '15 at 7:28
@GdD: absolutely. Always keep dairy products and gelatin apart from pineapple, kiwi and the likes. Actually, that's why I prefer canned pineapple for dairy-based deserts and cake fillings. (And I'm someone who always uses fresh produce whenever possible.) Canned pineapple come unsweetened, too.
– Stephie♦
Apr 10 '15 at 7:33
1
Oh, that's why that milk and kiwi smoothie I drank years ago tasted terrible.
– Agos
Apr 17 '15 at 8:38
2
@RachelS the enzymes will react with various proteins (one of the reasons pineapple is sometimes used in meat marinades where it softens the meat), but I can’t say whether they will always create bitter compounds. The meat example suggest that there are cases where it’s ok. I have no experience with hemp „milk“ or similar.
– Stephie♦
Jan 11 '18 at 15:23
|
show 3 more comments
The culprit is the pineapple.
Raw pineapple contains bromelain, an enzyme that breaks down the protein in your milk, making it bitter. The same principle is applied when bromelain is used as meat tenderizer, either as powdered additive or as fruit-based brine.
This process takes a short while, so if you used pineapple in your cereal and eat it right away, it will not be bitter (unless the enzyme content in your fruit is excepitonally high), but after 30 minutes it will be noticeable.
Bromelaine will also keeping gelatine from firming up. Heating destroys the enzyme, so canned pineapple is perfectly "safe".
Other fruit with similar properties are papaya (papain) and kiwifruit (actinidin).
This article explains it a bit more in detail.
1
Exactly what I was going to say, I was just researching this today along with papain which is also a meat tenderizer found in papaya. I believe there is also an enzyme similar to both the bromelain and the papain, found in mango's as well. Always be cautious when using tropical fruits and dairy, kiwi's another fruit that has a natural meat tenderizer.
– Chef_Code
Apr 10 '15 at 6:35
So cooking the pineapple would have prevented the bitterness? That's good to know, great answer @Stephie!
– GdD
Apr 10 '15 at 7:28
@GdD: absolutely. Always keep dairy products and gelatin apart from pineapple, kiwi and the likes. Actually, that's why I prefer canned pineapple for dairy-based deserts and cake fillings. (And I'm someone who always uses fresh produce whenever possible.) Canned pineapple come unsweetened, too.
– Stephie♦
Apr 10 '15 at 7:33
1
Oh, that's why that milk and kiwi smoothie I drank years ago tasted terrible.
– Agos
Apr 17 '15 at 8:38
2
@RachelS the enzymes will react with various proteins (one of the reasons pineapple is sometimes used in meat marinades where it softens the meat), but I can’t say whether they will always create bitter compounds. The meat example suggest that there are cases where it’s ok. I have no experience with hemp „milk“ or similar.
– Stephie♦
Jan 11 '18 at 15:23
|
show 3 more comments
The culprit is the pineapple.
Raw pineapple contains bromelain, an enzyme that breaks down the protein in your milk, making it bitter. The same principle is applied when bromelain is used as meat tenderizer, either as powdered additive or as fruit-based brine.
This process takes a short while, so if you used pineapple in your cereal and eat it right away, it will not be bitter (unless the enzyme content in your fruit is excepitonally high), but after 30 minutes it will be noticeable.
Bromelaine will also keeping gelatine from firming up. Heating destroys the enzyme, so canned pineapple is perfectly "safe".
Other fruit with similar properties are papaya (papain) and kiwifruit (actinidin).
This article explains it a bit more in detail.
The culprit is the pineapple.
Raw pineapple contains bromelain, an enzyme that breaks down the protein in your milk, making it bitter. The same principle is applied when bromelain is used as meat tenderizer, either as powdered additive or as fruit-based brine.
This process takes a short while, so if you used pineapple in your cereal and eat it right away, it will not be bitter (unless the enzyme content in your fruit is excepitonally high), but after 30 minutes it will be noticeable.
Bromelaine will also keeping gelatine from firming up. Heating destroys the enzyme, so canned pineapple is perfectly "safe".
Other fruit with similar properties are papaya (papain) and kiwifruit (actinidin).
This article explains it a bit more in detail.
edited Apr 10 '15 at 5:46
answered Apr 10 '15 at 5:32
Stephie♦Stephie
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1
Exactly what I was going to say, I was just researching this today along with papain which is also a meat tenderizer found in papaya. I believe there is also an enzyme similar to both the bromelain and the papain, found in mango's as well. Always be cautious when using tropical fruits and dairy, kiwi's another fruit that has a natural meat tenderizer.
– Chef_Code
Apr 10 '15 at 6:35
So cooking the pineapple would have prevented the bitterness? That's good to know, great answer @Stephie!
– GdD
Apr 10 '15 at 7:28
@GdD: absolutely. Always keep dairy products and gelatin apart from pineapple, kiwi and the likes. Actually, that's why I prefer canned pineapple for dairy-based deserts and cake fillings. (And I'm someone who always uses fresh produce whenever possible.) Canned pineapple come unsweetened, too.
– Stephie♦
Apr 10 '15 at 7:33
1
Oh, that's why that milk and kiwi smoothie I drank years ago tasted terrible.
– Agos
Apr 17 '15 at 8:38
2
@RachelS the enzymes will react with various proteins (one of the reasons pineapple is sometimes used in meat marinades where it softens the meat), but I can’t say whether they will always create bitter compounds. The meat example suggest that there are cases where it’s ok. I have no experience with hemp „milk“ or similar.
– Stephie♦
Jan 11 '18 at 15:23
|
show 3 more comments
1
Exactly what I was going to say, I was just researching this today along with papain which is also a meat tenderizer found in papaya. I believe there is also an enzyme similar to both the bromelain and the papain, found in mango's as well. Always be cautious when using tropical fruits and dairy, kiwi's another fruit that has a natural meat tenderizer.
– Chef_Code
Apr 10 '15 at 6:35
So cooking the pineapple would have prevented the bitterness? That's good to know, great answer @Stephie!
– GdD
Apr 10 '15 at 7:28
@GdD: absolutely. Always keep dairy products and gelatin apart from pineapple, kiwi and the likes. Actually, that's why I prefer canned pineapple for dairy-based deserts and cake fillings. (And I'm someone who always uses fresh produce whenever possible.) Canned pineapple come unsweetened, too.
– Stephie♦
Apr 10 '15 at 7:33
1
Oh, that's why that milk and kiwi smoothie I drank years ago tasted terrible.
– Agos
Apr 17 '15 at 8:38
2
@RachelS the enzymes will react with various proteins (one of the reasons pineapple is sometimes used in meat marinades where it softens the meat), but I can’t say whether they will always create bitter compounds. The meat example suggest that there are cases where it’s ok. I have no experience with hemp „milk“ or similar.
– Stephie♦
Jan 11 '18 at 15:23
1
1
Exactly what I was going to say, I was just researching this today along with papain which is also a meat tenderizer found in papaya. I believe there is also an enzyme similar to both the bromelain and the papain, found in mango's as well. Always be cautious when using tropical fruits and dairy, kiwi's another fruit that has a natural meat tenderizer.
– Chef_Code
Apr 10 '15 at 6:35
Exactly what I was going to say, I was just researching this today along with papain which is also a meat tenderizer found in papaya. I believe there is also an enzyme similar to both the bromelain and the papain, found in mango's as well. Always be cautious when using tropical fruits and dairy, kiwi's another fruit that has a natural meat tenderizer.
– Chef_Code
Apr 10 '15 at 6:35
So cooking the pineapple would have prevented the bitterness? That's good to know, great answer @Stephie!
– GdD
Apr 10 '15 at 7:28
So cooking the pineapple would have prevented the bitterness? That's good to know, great answer @Stephie!
– GdD
Apr 10 '15 at 7:28
@GdD: absolutely. Always keep dairy products and gelatin apart from pineapple, kiwi and the likes. Actually, that's why I prefer canned pineapple for dairy-based deserts and cake fillings. (And I'm someone who always uses fresh produce whenever possible.) Canned pineapple come unsweetened, too.
– Stephie♦
Apr 10 '15 at 7:33
@GdD: absolutely. Always keep dairy products and gelatin apart from pineapple, kiwi and the likes. Actually, that's why I prefer canned pineapple for dairy-based deserts and cake fillings. (And I'm someone who always uses fresh produce whenever possible.) Canned pineapple come unsweetened, too.
– Stephie♦
Apr 10 '15 at 7:33
1
1
Oh, that's why that milk and kiwi smoothie I drank years ago tasted terrible.
– Agos
Apr 17 '15 at 8:38
Oh, that's why that milk and kiwi smoothie I drank years ago tasted terrible.
– Agos
Apr 17 '15 at 8:38
2
2
@RachelS the enzymes will react with various proteins (one of the reasons pineapple is sometimes used in meat marinades where it softens the meat), but I can’t say whether they will always create bitter compounds. The meat example suggest that there are cases where it’s ok. I have no experience with hemp „milk“ or similar.
– Stephie♦
Jan 11 '18 at 15:23
@RachelS the enzymes will react with various proteins (one of the reasons pineapple is sometimes used in meat marinades where it softens the meat), but I can’t say whether they will always create bitter compounds. The meat example suggest that there are cases where it’s ok. I have no experience with hemp „milk“ or similar.
– Stephie♦
Jan 11 '18 at 15:23
|
show 3 more comments
Is it ok to top grilled canned pineapple slices with yogurt or cottage cheese for 4 hours in the fridge??
Am I taking a risk that it might turn bitter in taste?
I have to take it for potluck.
Please advise
New contributor
add a comment |
Is it ok to top grilled canned pineapple slices with yogurt or cottage cheese for 4 hours in the fridge??
Am I taking a risk that it might turn bitter in taste?
I have to take it for potluck.
Please advise
New contributor
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Is it ok to top grilled canned pineapple slices with yogurt or cottage cheese for 4 hours in the fridge??
Am I taking a risk that it might turn bitter in taste?
I have to take it for potluck.
Please advise
New contributor
Is it ok to top grilled canned pineapple slices with yogurt or cottage cheese for 4 hours in the fridge??
Am I taking a risk that it might turn bitter in taste?
I have to take it for potluck.
Please advise
New contributor
New contributor
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Welcome to the site! Thank you for such a detailed and fully explained question, we'd love to see more of these here!
– Stephie♦
Apr 10 '15 at 6:30
I'm glad you brought this up, I still have a little to add to this subject, but I am not completely finished with my research.
– Chef_Code
Apr 10 '15 at 6:38