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Electrolysis of water: Which equations to use? (IB Chem)



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There is a list of standard electrode potentials at 298 K from the p. 23 of IB Data Booklet 2016. Which of the following equations (forward/backward reactions), from the two possible ones involving the discharge of hydrogen gas and the other two with oxygen gas discharge, should I use for the oxidation and reduction of water in electrolytic cells?



$$
beginarraycc
hline
cetextOxidized species <=> textReduced species & E^⦵(puV) \
hline
beginalign
ceH2O(l) + e- &<=> 0.5 H2(g) + OH-(aq) \
ceH+(aq) + e- &<=> 0.5 H2(g) \
ce0.5 O2(g) + H2O(l) + 2 e- &<=> 2 OH-(aq) \
ce0.5 O2(g) + 2 H+(aq) + 2 e- &<=> H2O(l)
endalign
&
beginarrayr
-0.83 \
0.00 \
+0.40 \
+1.23
endarray
\
hline
endarray
$$



(Unless the use of any of these equations cannot be generalized — for a concise explanation of why this is so and what to do then I would be equally grateful.)










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    There is a list of standard electrode potentials at 298 K from the p. 23 of IB Data Booklet 2016. Which of the following equations (forward/backward reactions), from the two possible ones involving the discharge of hydrogen gas and the other two with oxygen gas discharge, should I use for the oxidation and reduction of water in electrolytic cells?



    $$
    beginarraycc
    hline
    cetextOxidized species <=> textReduced species & E^⦵(puV) \
    hline
    beginalign
    ceH2O(l) + e- &<=> 0.5 H2(g) + OH-(aq) \
    ceH+(aq) + e- &<=> 0.5 H2(g) \
    ce0.5 O2(g) + H2O(l) + 2 e- &<=> 2 OH-(aq) \
    ce0.5 O2(g) + 2 H+(aq) + 2 e- &<=> H2O(l)
    endalign
    &
    beginarrayr
    -0.83 \
    0.00 \
    +0.40 \
    +1.23
    endarray
    \
    hline
    endarray
    $$



    (Unless the use of any of these equations cannot be generalized — for a concise explanation of why this is so and what to do then I would be equally grateful.)










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      There is a list of standard electrode potentials at 298 K from the p. 23 of IB Data Booklet 2016. Which of the following equations (forward/backward reactions), from the two possible ones involving the discharge of hydrogen gas and the other two with oxygen gas discharge, should I use for the oxidation and reduction of water in electrolytic cells?



      $$
      beginarraycc
      hline
      cetextOxidized species <=> textReduced species & E^⦵(puV) \
      hline
      beginalign
      ceH2O(l) + e- &<=> 0.5 H2(g) + OH-(aq) \
      ceH+(aq) + e- &<=> 0.5 H2(g) \
      ce0.5 O2(g) + H2O(l) + 2 e- &<=> 2 OH-(aq) \
      ce0.5 O2(g) + 2 H+(aq) + 2 e- &<=> H2O(l)
      endalign
      &
      beginarrayr
      -0.83 \
      0.00 \
      +0.40 \
      +1.23
      endarray
      \
      hline
      endarray
      $$



      (Unless the use of any of these equations cannot be generalized — for a concise explanation of why this is so and what to do then I would be equally grateful.)










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      There is a list of standard electrode potentials at 298 K from the p. 23 of IB Data Booklet 2016. Which of the following equations (forward/backward reactions), from the two possible ones involving the discharge of hydrogen gas and the other two with oxygen gas discharge, should I use for the oxidation and reduction of water in electrolytic cells?



      $$
      beginarraycc
      hline
      cetextOxidized species <=> textReduced species & E^⦵(puV) \
      hline
      beginalign
      ceH2O(l) + e- &<=> 0.5 H2(g) + OH-(aq) \
      ceH+(aq) + e- &<=> 0.5 H2(g) \
      ce0.5 O2(g) + H2O(l) + 2 e- &<=> 2 OH-(aq) \
      ce0.5 O2(g) + 2 H+(aq) + 2 e- &<=> H2O(l)
      endalign
      &
      beginarrayr
      -0.83 \
      0.00 \
      +0.40 \
      +1.23
      endarray
      \
      hline
      endarray
      $$



      (Unless the use of any of these equations cannot be generalized — for a concise explanation of why this is so and what to do then I would be equally grateful.)







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          For the acidic electrolysis, use the reactions where $ceH+$ occurs.



          As $ceOH-$ is not available in considerable amount there as a reagent, neither it is created as a product.



          Generally, for a reaction choice, apply the principle of availability and stability, allowing for a reagent to exist in (relative) abundance.
          $ceOH-$ or anions of weak acids like $ceClO-$ do not survive in acids. Acids do not survive in hydroxides.



          But note that using reactions with half of a molecule is not necessery.



          $$beginalign
          ceO2(g) + 4H+(aq) + 4e- &<=> 2 H2O(l)\
          ce2H+(aq) + 2e- &<=> H2(g)
          endalign$$



          For the alkaline electrolysis, similarly, use the reactions where $ceOH$- occurs.



          $$beginalign
          ce2 H2O(l) + 2e- &<=> H2(g) + 2 OH^-(aq)\
          ceO2(g) + 2 H2O(l) + 4e- &<=> 4 OH^-(aq)
          endalign$$






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          • $begingroup$
            Thank you, @Poutnik. Could you also explain to me how I could apply this knowledge to, for example, the electrolysis of aqueous sodium chloride? A textbook example uses equations from both categories you mentioned.
            $endgroup$
            – w_w
            2 hours ago






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            $begingroup$
            Apply the same principle of availability and stability.
            $endgroup$
            – Poutnik
            1 hour ago










          • $begingroup$
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          • $begingroup$
            @Poutnik, I suppose that by "availability" you mean concentration of the salt, but I am not sure how to tackle "stability"... Does "stability" have to do with electrode potential values? I am too verdant to figure this out by myself.
            $endgroup$
            – w_w
            1 hour ago






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          $begingroup$

          For the acidic electrolysis, use the reactions where $ceH+$ occurs.



          As $ceOH-$ is not available in considerable amount there as a reagent, neither it is created as a product.



          Generally, for a reaction choice, apply the principle of availability and stability, allowing for a reagent to exist in (relative) abundance.
          $ceOH-$ or anions of weak acids like $ceClO-$ do not survive in acids. Acids do not survive in hydroxides.



          But note that using reactions with half of a molecule is not necessery.



          $$beginalign
          ceO2(g) + 4H+(aq) + 4e- &<=> 2 H2O(l)\
          ce2H+(aq) + 2e- &<=> H2(g)
          endalign$$



          For the alkaline electrolysis, similarly, use the reactions where $ceOH$- occurs.



          $$beginalign
          ce2 H2O(l) + 2e- &<=> H2(g) + 2 OH^-(aq)\
          ceO2(g) + 2 H2O(l) + 4e- &<=> 4 OH^-(aq)
          endalign$$






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          • $begingroup$
            Thank you, @Poutnik. Could you also explain to me how I could apply this knowledge to, for example, the electrolysis of aqueous sodium chloride? A textbook example uses equations from both categories you mentioned.
            $endgroup$
            – w_w
            2 hours ago






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            Apply the same principle of availability and stability.
            $endgroup$
            – Poutnik
            1 hour ago










          • $begingroup$
            @w_w If you are happy with the answer, feel free to upvote (might not be available due to low rep) and accept it (grey tick mark below).
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          • $begingroup$
            @Poutnik, I suppose that by "availability" you mean concentration of the salt, but I am not sure how to tackle "stability"... Does "stability" have to do with electrode potential values? I am too verdant to figure this out by myself.
            $endgroup$
            – w_w
            1 hour ago






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @andselisk, Thank you for the edits and the reminder!
            $endgroup$
            – w_w
            1 hour ago















          4












          $begingroup$

          For the acidic electrolysis, use the reactions where $ceH+$ occurs.



          As $ceOH-$ is not available in considerable amount there as a reagent, neither it is created as a product.



          Generally, for a reaction choice, apply the principle of availability and stability, allowing for a reagent to exist in (relative) abundance.
          $ceOH-$ or anions of weak acids like $ceClO-$ do not survive in acids. Acids do not survive in hydroxides.



          But note that using reactions with half of a molecule is not necessery.



          $$beginalign
          ceO2(g) + 4H+(aq) + 4e- &<=> 2 H2O(l)\
          ce2H+(aq) + 2e- &<=> H2(g)
          endalign$$



          For the alkaline electrolysis, similarly, use the reactions where $ceOH$- occurs.



          $$beginalign
          ce2 H2O(l) + 2e- &<=> H2(g) + 2 OH^-(aq)\
          ceO2(g) + 2 H2O(l) + 4e- &<=> 4 OH^-(aq)
          endalign$$






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          • $begingroup$
            Thank you, @Poutnik. Could you also explain to me how I could apply this knowledge to, for example, the electrolysis of aqueous sodium chloride? A textbook example uses equations from both categories you mentioned.
            $endgroup$
            – w_w
            2 hours ago






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            Apply the same principle of availability and stability.
            $endgroup$
            – Poutnik
            1 hour ago










          • $begingroup$
            @w_w If you are happy with the answer, feel free to upvote (might not be available due to low rep) and accept it (grey tick mark below).
            $endgroup$
            – andselisk
            1 hour ago










          • $begingroup$
            @Poutnik, I suppose that by "availability" you mean concentration of the salt, but I am not sure how to tackle "stability"... Does "stability" have to do with electrode potential values? I am too verdant to figure this out by myself.
            $endgroup$
            – w_w
            1 hour ago






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @andselisk, Thank you for the edits and the reminder!
            $endgroup$
            – w_w
            1 hour ago













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          4








          4





          $begingroup$

          For the acidic electrolysis, use the reactions where $ceH+$ occurs.



          As $ceOH-$ is not available in considerable amount there as a reagent, neither it is created as a product.



          Generally, for a reaction choice, apply the principle of availability and stability, allowing for a reagent to exist in (relative) abundance.
          $ceOH-$ or anions of weak acids like $ceClO-$ do not survive in acids. Acids do not survive in hydroxides.



          But note that using reactions with half of a molecule is not necessery.



          $$beginalign
          ceO2(g) + 4H+(aq) + 4e- &<=> 2 H2O(l)\
          ce2H+(aq) + 2e- &<=> H2(g)
          endalign$$



          For the alkaline electrolysis, similarly, use the reactions where $ceOH$- occurs.



          $$beginalign
          ce2 H2O(l) + 2e- &<=> H2(g) + 2 OH^-(aq)\
          ceO2(g) + 2 H2O(l) + 4e- &<=> 4 OH^-(aq)
          endalign$$






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          $endgroup$



          For the acidic electrolysis, use the reactions where $ceH+$ occurs.



          As $ceOH-$ is not available in considerable amount there as a reagent, neither it is created as a product.



          Generally, for a reaction choice, apply the principle of availability and stability, allowing for a reagent to exist in (relative) abundance.
          $ceOH-$ or anions of weak acids like $ceClO-$ do not survive in acids. Acids do not survive in hydroxides.



          But note that using reactions with half of a molecule is not necessery.



          $$beginalign
          ceO2(g) + 4H+(aq) + 4e- &<=> 2 H2O(l)\
          ce2H+(aq) + 2e- &<=> H2(g)
          endalign$$



          For the alkaline electrolysis, similarly, use the reactions where $ceOH$- occurs.



          $$beginalign
          ce2 H2O(l) + 2e- &<=> H2(g) + 2 OH^-(aq)\
          ceO2(g) + 2 H2O(l) + 4e- &<=> 4 OH^-(aq)
          endalign$$







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          • $begingroup$
            Thank you, @Poutnik. Could you also explain to me how I could apply this knowledge to, for example, the electrolysis of aqueous sodium chloride? A textbook example uses equations from both categories you mentioned.
            $endgroup$
            – w_w
            2 hours ago






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            Apply the same principle of availability and stability.
            $endgroup$
            – Poutnik
            1 hour ago










          • $begingroup$
            @w_w If you are happy with the answer, feel free to upvote (might not be available due to low rep) and accept it (grey tick mark below).
            $endgroup$
            – andselisk
            1 hour ago










          • $begingroup$
            @Poutnik, I suppose that by "availability" you mean concentration of the salt, but I am not sure how to tackle "stability"... Does "stability" have to do with electrode potential values? I am too verdant to figure this out by myself.
            $endgroup$
            – w_w
            1 hour ago






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @andselisk, Thank you for the edits and the reminder!
            $endgroup$
            – w_w
            1 hour ago
















          • $begingroup$
            Thank you, @Poutnik. Could you also explain to me how I could apply this knowledge to, for example, the electrolysis of aqueous sodium chloride? A textbook example uses equations from both categories you mentioned.
            $endgroup$
            – w_w
            2 hours ago






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            Apply the same principle of availability and stability.
            $endgroup$
            – Poutnik
            1 hour ago










          • $begingroup$
            @w_w If you are happy with the answer, feel free to upvote (might not be available due to low rep) and accept it (grey tick mark below).
            $endgroup$
            – andselisk
            1 hour ago










          • $begingroup$
            @Poutnik, I suppose that by "availability" you mean concentration of the salt, but I am not sure how to tackle "stability"... Does "stability" have to do with electrode potential values? I am too verdant to figure this out by myself.
            $endgroup$
            – w_w
            1 hour ago






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @andselisk, Thank you for the edits and the reminder!
            $endgroup$
            – w_w
            1 hour ago















          $begingroup$
          Thank you, @Poutnik. Could you also explain to me how I could apply this knowledge to, for example, the electrolysis of aqueous sodium chloride? A textbook example uses equations from both categories you mentioned.
          $endgroup$
          – w_w
          2 hours ago




          $begingroup$
          Thank you, @Poutnik. Could you also explain to me how I could apply this knowledge to, for example, the electrolysis of aqueous sodium chloride? A textbook example uses equations from both categories you mentioned.
          $endgroup$
          – w_w
          2 hours ago




          1




          1




          $begingroup$
          Apply the same principle of availability and stability.
          $endgroup$
          – Poutnik
          1 hour ago




          $begingroup$
          Apply the same principle of availability and stability.
          $endgroup$
          – Poutnik
          1 hour ago












          $begingroup$
          @w_w If you are happy with the answer, feel free to upvote (might not be available due to low rep) and accept it (grey tick mark below).
          $endgroup$
          – andselisk
          1 hour ago




          $begingroup$
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          $endgroup$
          – andselisk
          1 hour ago












          $begingroup$
          @Poutnik, I suppose that by "availability" you mean concentration of the salt, but I am not sure how to tackle "stability"... Does "stability" have to do with electrode potential values? I am too verdant to figure this out by myself.
          $endgroup$
          – w_w
          1 hour ago




          $begingroup$
          @Poutnik, I suppose that by "availability" you mean concentration of the salt, but I am not sure how to tackle "stability"... Does "stability" have to do with electrode potential values? I am too verdant to figure this out by myself.
          $endgroup$
          – w_w
          1 hour ago




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          @andselisk, Thank you for the edits and the reminder!
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