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Electrolysis of water: Which equations to use? (IB Chem)
Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Planned maintenance scheduled April 23, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)Electrolysis of aqueous copper (II) nitrateCan the thermodynamic predictions of redox reactions based on E and dG contradict each other?Determining equilibrium concentrations from initial conditions and equilibrium constantExplanation of calculating equilibrium constantDisproportionation of hydrogen peroxideWill bases typically precipitate silver atoms from silver ions?Ozone-Air ParadoxDetermination of pKa by absorbance and pH of buffer solutionsCalculating the standard reduction potential for the oxidation of waterStill taught to reverse oxidation half cells in electrochemistry?
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There is a list of standard electrode potentials at 298 K from the p. 23 of IB Data Booklet 2016. Which of the following equations (forward/backward reactions), from the two possible ones involving the discharge of hydrogen gas and the other two with oxygen gas discharge, should I use for the oxidation and reduction of water in electrolytic cells?
$$
beginarraycc
hline
cetextOxidized species <=> textReduced species & E^⦵(puV) \
hline
beginalign
ceH2O(l) + e- &<=> 0.5 H2(g) + OH-(aq) \
ceH+(aq) + e- &<=> 0.5 H2(g) \
ce0.5 O2(g) + H2O(l) + 2 e- &<=> 2 OH-(aq) \
ce0.5 O2(g) + 2 H+(aq) + 2 e- &<=> H2O(l)
endalign
&
beginarrayr
-0.83 \
0.00 \
+0.40 \
+1.23
endarray
\
hline
endarray
$$
(Unless the use of any of these equations cannot be generalized — for a concise explanation of why this is so and what to do then I would be equally grateful.)
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There is a list of standard electrode potentials at 298 K from the p. 23 of IB Data Booklet 2016. Which of the following equations (forward/backward reactions), from the two possible ones involving the discharge of hydrogen gas and the other two with oxygen gas discharge, should I use for the oxidation and reduction of water in electrolytic cells?
$$
beginarraycc
hline
cetextOxidized species <=> textReduced species & E^⦵(puV) \
hline
beginalign
ceH2O(l) + e- &<=> 0.5 H2(g) + OH-(aq) \
ceH+(aq) + e- &<=> 0.5 H2(g) \
ce0.5 O2(g) + H2O(l) + 2 e- &<=> 2 OH-(aq) \
ce0.5 O2(g) + 2 H+(aq) + 2 e- &<=> H2O(l)
endalign
&
beginarrayr
-0.83 \
0.00 \
+0.40 \
+1.23
endarray
\
hline
endarray
$$
(Unless the use of any of these equations cannot be generalized — for a concise explanation of why this is so and what to do then I would be equally grateful.)
physical-chemistry electrochemistry redox water reduction-potential
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There is a list of standard electrode potentials at 298 K from the p. 23 of IB Data Booklet 2016. Which of the following equations (forward/backward reactions), from the two possible ones involving the discharge of hydrogen gas and the other two with oxygen gas discharge, should I use for the oxidation and reduction of water in electrolytic cells?
$$
beginarraycc
hline
cetextOxidized species <=> textReduced species & E^⦵(puV) \
hline
beginalign
ceH2O(l) + e- &<=> 0.5 H2(g) + OH-(aq) \
ceH+(aq) + e- &<=> 0.5 H2(g) \
ce0.5 O2(g) + H2O(l) + 2 e- &<=> 2 OH-(aq) \
ce0.5 O2(g) + 2 H+(aq) + 2 e- &<=> H2O(l)
endalign
&
beginarrayr
-0.83 \
0.00 \
+0.40 \
+1.23
endarray
\
hline
endarray
$$
(Unless the use of any of these equations cannot be generalized — for a concise explanation of why this is so and what to do then I would be equally grateful.)
physical-chemistry electrochemistry redox water reduction-potential
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There is a list of standard electrode potentials at 298 K from the p. 23 of IB Data Booklet 2016. Which of the following equations (forward/backward reactions), from the two possible ones involving the discharge of hydrogen gas and the other two with oxygen gas discharge, should I use for the oxidation and reduction of water in electrolytic cells?
$$
beginarraycc
hline
cetextOxidized species <=> textReduced species & E^⦵(puV) \
hline
beginalign
ceH2O(l) + e- &<=> 0.5 H2(g) + OH-(aq) \
ceH+(aq) + e- &<=> 0.5 H2(g) \
ce0.5 O2(g) + H2O(l) + 2 e- &<=> 2 OH-(aq) \
ce0.5 O2(g) + 2 H+(aq) + 2 e- &<=> H2O(l)
endalign
&
beginarrayr
-0.83 \
0.00 \
+0.40 \
+1.23
endarray
\
hline
endarray
$$
(Unless the use of any of these equations cannot be generalized — for a concise explanation of why this is so and what to do then I would be equally grateful.)
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For the acidic electrolysis, use the reactions where $ceH+$ occurs.
As $ceOH-$ is not available in considerable amount there as a reagent, neither it is created as a product.
Generally, for a reaction choice, apply the principle of availability and stability, allowing for a reagent to exist in (relative) abundance.
$ceOH-$ or anions of weak acids like $ceClO-$ do not survive in acids. Acids do not survive in hydroxides.
But note that using reactions with half of a molecule is not necessery.
$$beginalign
ceO2(g) + 4H+(aq) + 4e- &<=> 2 H2O(l)\
ce2H+(aq) + 2e- &<=> H2(g)
endalign$$
For the alkaline electrolysis, similarly, use the reactions where $ceOH$- occurs.
$$beginalign
ce2 H2O(l) + 2e- &<=> H2(g) + 2 OH^-(aq)\
ceO2(g) + 2 H2O(l) + 4e- &<=> 4 OH^-(aq)
endalign$$
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Thank you, @Poutnik. Could you also explain to me how I could apply this knowledge to, for example, the electrolysis of aqueous sodium chloride? A textbook example uses equations from both categories you mentioned.
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– w_w
2 hours ago
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Apply the same principle of availability and stability.
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– Poutnik
1 hour ago
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@w_w If you are happy with the answer, feel free to upvote (might not be available due to low rep) and accept it (grey tick mark below).
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1 hour ago
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@Poutnik, I suppose that by "availability" you mean concentration of the salt, but I am not sure how to tackle "stability"... Does "stability" have to do with electrode potential values? I am too verdant to figure this out by myself.
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@andselisk, Thank you for the edits and the reminder!
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$begingroup$
For the acidic electrolysis, use the reactions where $ceH+$ occurs.
As $ceOH-$ is not available in considerable amount there as a reagent, neither it is created as a product.
Generally, for a reaction choice, apply the principle of availability and stability, allowing for a reagent to exist in (relative) abundance.
$ceOH-$ or anions of weak acids like $ceClO-$ do not survive in acids. Acids do not survive in hydroxides.
But note that using reactions with half of a molecule is not necessery.
$$beginalign
ceO2(g) + 4H+(aq) + 4e- &<=> 2 H2O(l)\
ce2H+(aq) + 2e- &<=> H2(g)
endalign$$
For the alkaline electrolysis, similarly, use the reactions where $ceOH$- occurs.
$$beginalign
ce2 H2O(l) + 2e- &<=> H2(g) + 2 OH^-(aq)\
ceO2(g) + 2 H2O(l) + 4e- &<=> 4 OH^-(aq)
endalign$$
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
Thank you, @Poutnik. Could you also explain to me how I could apply this knowledge to, for example, the electrolysis of aqueous sodium chloride? A textbook example uses equations from both categories you mentioned.
$endgroup$
– w_w
2 hours ago
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Apply the same principle of availability and stability.
$endgroup$
– Poutnik
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
@w_w If you are happy with the answer, feel free to upvote (might not be available due to low rep) and accept it (grey tick mark below).
$endgroup$
– andselisk
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
@Poutnik, I suppose that by "availability" you mean concentration of the salt, but I am not sure how to tackle "stability"... Does "stability" have to do with electrode potential values? I am too verdant to figure this out by myself.
$endgroup$
– w_w
1 hour ago
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$begingroup$
@andselisk, Thank you for the edits and the reminder!
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$begingroup$
For the acidic electrolysis, use the reactions where $ceH+$ occurs.
As $ceOH-$ is not available in considerable amount there as a reagent, neither it is created as a product.
Generally, for a reaction choice, apply the principle of availability and stability, allowing for a reagent to exist in (relative) abundance.
$ceOH-$ or anions of weak acids like $ceClO-$ do not survive in acids. Acids do not survive in hydroxides.
But note that using reactions with half of a molecule is not necessery.
$$beginalign
ceO2(g) + 4H+(aq) + 4e- &<=> 2 H2O(l)\
ce2H+(aq) + 2e- &<=> H2(g)
endalign$$
For the alkaline electrolysis, similarly, use the reactions where $ceOH$- occurs.
$$beginalign
ce2 H2O(l) + 2e- &<=> H2(g) + 2 OH^-(aq)\
ceO2(g) + 2 H2O(l) + 4e- &<=> 4 OH^-(aq)
endalign$$
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
Thank you, @Poutnik. Could you also explain to me how I could apply this knowledge to, for example, the electrolysis of aqueous sodium chloride? A textbook example uses equations from both categories you mentioned.
$endgroup$
– w_w
2 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
Apply the same principle of availability and stability.
$endgroup$
– Poutnik
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
@w_w If you are happy with the answer, feel free to upvote (might not be available due to low rep) and accept it (grey tick mark below).
$endgroup$
– andselisk
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
@Poutnik, I suppose that by "availability" you mean concentration of the salt, but I am not sure how to tackle "stability"... Does "stability" have to do with electrode potential values? I am too verdant to figure this out by myself.
$endgroup$
– w_w
1 hour ago
1
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@andselisk, Thank you for the edits and the reminder!
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$begingroup$
For the acidic electrolysis, use the reactions where $ceH+$ occurs.
As $ceOH-$ is not available in considerable amount there as a reagent, neither it is created as a product.
Generally, for a reaction choice, apply the principle of availability and stability, allowing for a reagent to exist in (relative) abundance.
$ceOH-$ or anions of weak acids like $ceClO-$ do not survive in acids. Acids do not survive in hydroxides.
But note that using reactions with half of a molecule is not necessery.
$$beginalign
ceO2(g) + 4H+(aq) + 4e- &<=> 2 H2O(l)\
ce2H+(aq) + 2e- &<=> H2(g)
endalign$$
For the alkaline electrolysis, similarly, use the reactions where $ceOH$- occurs.
$$beginalign
ce2 H2O(l) + 2e- &<=> H2(g) + 2 OH^-(aq)\
ceO2(g) + 2 H2O(l) + 4e- &<=> 4 OH^-(aq)
endalign$$
$endgroup$
For the acidic electrolysis, use the reactions where $ceH+$ occurs.
As $ceOH-$ is not available in considerable amount there as a reagent, neither it is created as a product.
Generally, for a reaction choice, apply the principle of availability and stability, allowing for a reagent to exist in (relative) abundance.
$ceOH-$ or anions of weak acids like $ceClO-$ do not survive in acids. Acids do not survive in hydroxides.
But note that using reactions with half of a molecule is not necessery.
$$beginalign
ceO2(g) + 4H+(aq) + 4e- &<=> 2 H2O(l)\
ce2H+(aq) + 2e- &<=> H2(g)
endalign$$
For the alkaline electrolysis, similarly, use the reactions where $ceOH$- occurs.
$$beginalign
ce2 H2O(l) + 2e- &<=> H2(g) + 2 OH^-(aq)\
ceO2(g) + 2 H2O(l) + 4e- &<=> 4 OH^-(aq)
endalign$$
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Thank you, @Poutnik. Could you also explain to me how I could apply this knowledge to, for example, the electrolysis of aqueous sodium chloride? A textbook example uses equations from both categories you mentioned.
$endgroup$
– w_w
2 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
Apply the same principle of availability and stability.
$endgroup$
– Poutnik
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
@w_w If you are happy with the answer, feel free to upvote (might not be available due to low rep) and accept it (grey tick mark below).
$endgroup$
– andselisk
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
@Poutnik, I suppose that by "availability" you mean concentration of the salt, but I am not sure how to tackle "stability"... Does "stability" have to do with electrode potential values? I am too verdant to figure this out by myself.
$endgroup$
– w_w
1 hour ago
1
$begingroup$
@andselisk, Thank you for the edits and the reminder!
$endgroup$
– w_w
1 hour ago
|
show 2 more comments
$begingroup$
Thank you, @Poutnik. Could you also explain to me how I could apply this knowledge to, for example, the electrolysis of aqueous sodium chloride? A textbook example uses equations from both categories you mentioned.
$endgroup$
– w_w
2 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
Apply the same principle of availability and stability.
$endgroup$
– Poutnik
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
@w_w If you are happy with the answer, feel free to upvote (might not be available due to low rep) and accept it (grey tick mark below).
$endgroup$
– andselisk
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
@Poutnik, I suppose that by "availability" you mean concentration of the salt, but I am not sure how to tackle "stability"... Does "stability" have to do with electrode potential values? I am too verdant to figure this out by myself.
$endgroup$
– w_w
1 hour ago
1
$begingroup$
@andselisk, Thank you for the edits and the reminder!
$endgroup$
– w_w
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
Thank you, @Poutnik. Could you also explain to me how I could apply this knowledge to, for example, the electrolysis of aqueous sodium chloride? A textbook example uses equations from both categories you mentioned.
$endgroup$
– w_w
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
Thank you, @Poutnik. Could you also explain to me how I could apply this knowledge to, for example, the electrolysis of aqueous sodium chloride? A textbook example uses equations from both categories you mentioned.
$endgroup$
– w_w
2 hours ago
1
1
$begingroup$
Apply the same principle of availability and stability.
$endgroup$
– Poutnik
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
Apply the same principle of availability and stability.
$endgroup$
– Poutnik
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
@w_w If you are happy with the answer, feel free to upvote (might not be available due to low rep) and accept it (grey tick mark below).
$endgroup$
– andselisk
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
@w_w If you are happy with the answer, feel free to upvote (might not be available due to low rep) and accept it (grey tick mark below).
$endgroup$
– andselisk
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
@Poutnik, I suppose that by "availability" you mean concentration of the salt, but I am not sure how to tackle "stability"... Does "stability" have to do with electrode potential values? I am too verdant to figure this out by myself.
$endgroup$
– w_w
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
@Poutnik, I suppose that by "availability" you mean concentration of the salt, but I am not sure how to tackle "stability"... Does "stability" have to do with electrode potential values? I am too verdant to figure this out by myself.
$endgroup$
– w_w
1 hour ago
1
1
$begingroup$
@andselisk, Thank you for the edits and the reminder!
$endgroup$
– w_w
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
@andselisk, Thank you for the edits and the reminder!
$endgroup$
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