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Impact of different sugar types (and substitutes) on ice cream
Why is my icecream bitter?Preventing Crystalised Dairy Ice CreamBaileys ice cream stabilizerIce Cream Sugar Substitutes - Applesauce?Milk substitute for ice cream and others“Soften” ice cream to make ice cream barsHow much sugar and vanilla extract should I use in 1/2 gallon of ice cream?Is sugar necessary for the texture of homemade sherbet?Substituting invert sugar for corn syrupUnsweetened or fruit sweetened ice cream - Replacement for sugar in ice cream?
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I am really interested in theoretical fundamentals of ice cream making. Everyone who is a little sophisticated whith homemade ice cream knows, that the are certain ingredients and ratios that have to be satisfied to make good ice cream.
In fact understanding the theoretics of ice cream making and knowing how to calculate the ratios of ingredients helped me getting my ice cream perfect every time.
A big influence on texture and storability (in terms of hardness when storing the ice cream in the freezer) has sugar.
Sucrose is the most common used sugar, but other types used are lactose (from milk products), dried glucose syrup, dextrose and inverted sugar syrup
They all have influence on the freezing point of the mixture. The lower the freezing point of the ice cream mass, the softer it is when it comes out of the freezer. The sugars also differ in sweetness, which is measured relative to sucrose (1.0). Lactose (0.3), Dried Glucose Syrup (0.5), Dextrose (0,75), Inverted sugar syrup (1.25)
For this reasons a part of the sucrose is often substituted by dextrose, since you can use more of it (to have the same sweetness) and increase dry mass and lower the freezing point.
My chemistry skills are nearly non existent, so my question is how can I quantify the influence of different sugar types on the freezing point of my mixture? I want to determine how much Xylitol I must use to get the same results (in terms of freezing point) as when I used sucrose. To get to the meta level: How can those figures be calculated (I guess it involves molar masses, oh boy!)
Some figures for the sugars above and also Xylitol and Erythritol would be appreciated.
Criteria for an accepted answer:
- Must name a measure for influence of sugar on freenzing point on a mixture
- Must give figures for all mentioned sugar (alcohol) types.
- Nice to have: A way to calculate the figures
- Can use basic math and chemisty
OR: Explain why this isn't achievable (for a non chemistry expert)
substitutions freezing food-science sugar ice-cream
edited Jun 4 '17 at 15:01
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1084
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I am really interested in theoretical fundamentals of ice cream making. Everyone who is a little sophisticated whith homemade ice cream knows, that the are certain ingredients and ratios that have to be satisfied to make good ice cream.
In fact understanding the theoretics of ice cream making and knowing how to calculate the ratios of ingredients helped me getting my ice cream perfect every time.
A big influence on texture and storability (in terms of hardness when storing the ice cream in the freezer) has sugar.
Sucrose is the most common used sugar, but other types used are lactose (from milk products), dried glucose syrup, dextrose and inverted sugar syrup
They all have influence on the freezing point of the mixture. The lower the freezing point of the ice cream mass, the softer it is when it comes out of the freezer. The sugars also differ in sweetness, which is measured relative to sucrose (1.0). Lactose (0.3), Dried Glucose Syrup (0.5), Dextrose (0,75), Inverted sugar syrup (1.25)
For this reasons a part of the sucrose is often substituted by dextrose, since you can use more of it (to have the same sweetness) and increase dry mass and lower the freezing point.
My chemistry skills are nearly non existent, so my question is how can I quantify the influence of different sugar types on the freezing point of my mixture? I want to determine how much Xylitol I must use to get the same results (in terms of freezing point) as when I used sucrose. To get to the meta level: How can those figures be calculated (I guess it involves molar masses, oh boy!)
Some figures for the sugars above and also Xylitol and Erythritol would be appreciated.
Criteria for an accepted answer:
- Must name a measure for influence of sugar on freenzing point on a mixture
- Must give figures for all mentioned sugar (alcohol) types.
- Nice to have: A way to calculate the figures
- Can use basic math and chemisty
OR: Explain why this isn't achievable (for a non chemistry expert)
substitutions freezing food-science sugar ice-cream
edited Jun 4 '17 at 15:01
user110084
2,557332
asked Jun 3 '17 at 15:39
StrerndStrernd
1084
1
What you are dealing with is very complex, too complex for theoretical answers in my view. I am sure exact answers already exist within manufacturers' or research labs as guarded information and they are almost certainly empirical results. Numerous binary or tertiary phase diagrams are everywhere on the internet for all the sugars you mentioned, but icecream is more complex than that. There is also the important question of ice crystal control in freeze-thaw cycles with multi-servings. Just for freezing point depression alone, there are gums/gels/polysaccharides involved.
– user110084
Jun 3 '17 at 16:02
Even if we just considered the influence of these sugar on water? I can not imagine that it could be that hard, to get a table of " 10g of sugar x in 100 ml water reduce the freezing point by y °C"
– Strernd
Jun 3 '17 at 16:10
Binary aqueous systems are simple with plenty of data on line. Search under "freezing point depression" and the sugar of interest, and also under "colligative properties" if you wish to dig deeper. For sucrose in water, the relationship is linear. For every 342g (1 mole) of sucrose dissolved in 1000ml water (producing a 1M solution), you have 1.86C freezing point depression.
– user110084
Jun 3 '17 at 16:22
In addition to the sugars listed, I saw an ice-cream shop the other day which has "diet" ice-cream using fructose.
– Peter Taylor
Jul 15 '17 at 8:15
add a comment |
I am really interested in theoretical fundamentals of ice cream making. Everyone who is a little sophisticated whith homemade ice cream knows, that the are certain ingredients and ratios that have to be satisfied to make good ice cream.
In fact understanding the theoretics of ice cream making and knowing how to calculate the ratios of ingredients helped me getting my ice cream perfect every time.
A big influence on texture and storability (in terms of hardness when storing the ice cream in the freezer) has sugar.
Sucrose is the most common used sugar, but other types used are lactose (from milk products), dried glucose syrup, dextrose and inverted sugar syrup
They all have influence on the freezing point of the mixture. The lower the freezing point of the ice cream mass, the softer it is when it comes out of the freezer. The sugars also differ in sweetness, which is measured relative to sucrose (1.0). Lactose (0.3), Dried Glucose Syrup (0.5), Dextrose (0,75), Inverted sugar syrup (1.25)
For this reasons a part of the sucrose is often substituted by dextrose, since you can use more of it (to have the same sweetness) and increase dry mass and lower the freezing point.
My chemistry skills are nearly non existent, so my question is how can I quantify the influence of different sugar types on the freezing point of my mixture? I want to determine how much Xylitol I must use to get the same results (in terms of freezing point) as when I used sucrose. To get to the meta level: How can those figures be calculated (I guess it involves molar masses, oh boy!)
Some figures for the sugars above and also Xylitol and Erythritol would be appreciated.
Criteria for an accepted answer:
- Must name a measure for influence of sugar on freenzing point on a mixture
- Must give figures for all mentioned sugar (alcohol) types.
- Nice to have: A way to calculate the figures
- Can use basic math and chemisty
OR: Explain why this isn't achievable (for a non chemistry expert)
substitutions freezing food-science sugar ice-cream
edited Jun 4 '17 at 15:01
user110084
2,557332
asked Jun 3 '17 at 15:39
StrerndStrernd
1084
I am really interested in theoretical fundamentals of ice cream making. Everyone who is a little sophisticated whith homemade ice cream knows, that the are certain ingredients and ratios that have to be satisfied to make good ice cream.
In fact understanding the theoretics of ice cream making and knowing how to calculate the ratios of ingredients helped me getting my ice cream perfect every time.
A big influence on texture and storability (in terms of hardness when storing the ice cream in the freezer) has sugar.
Sucrose is the most common used sugar, but other types used are lactose (from milk products), dried glucose syrup, dextrose and inverted sugar syrup
They all have influence on the freezing point of the mixture. The lower the freezing point of the ice cream mass, the softer it is when it comes out of the freezer. The sugars also differ in sweetness, which is measured relative to sucrose (1.0). Lactose (0.3), Dried Glucose Syrup (0.5), Dextrose (0,75), Inverted sugar syrup (1.25)
For this reasons a part of the sucrose is often substituted by dextrose, since you can use more of it (to have the same sweetness) and increase dry mass and lower the freezing point.
My chemistry skills are nearly non existent, so my question is how can I quantify the influence of different sugar types on the freezing point of my mixture? I want to determine how much Xylitol I must use to get the same results (in terms of freezing point) as when I used sucrose. To get to the meta level: How can those figures be calculated (I guess it involves molar masses, oh boy!)
Some figures for the sugars above and also Xylitol and Erythritol would be appreciated.
Criteria for an accepted answer:
- Must name a measure for influence of sugar on freenzing point on a mixture
- Must give figures for all mentioned sugar (alcohol) types.
- Nice to have: A way to calculate the figures
- Can use basic math and chemisty
OR: Explain why this isn't achievable (for a non chemistry expert)
substitutions freezing food-science sugar ice-cream
substitutions freezing food-science sugar ice-cream
edited Jun 4 '17 at 15:01
user110084
2,557332
asked Jun 3 '17 at 15:39
StrerndStrernd
1084
edited Jun 4 '17 at 15:01
user110084
2,557332
asked Jun 3 '17 at 15:39
StrerndStrernd
1084
edited Jun 4 '17 at 15:01
user110084
2,557332
edited Jun 4 '17 at 15:01
user110084
2,557332
edited Jun 4 '17 at 15:01
user110084
2,557332
2,557332
asked Jun 3 '17 at 15:39
StrerndStrernd
1084
asked Jun 3 '17 at 15:39
StrerndStrernd
1084
asked Jun 3 '17 at 15:39
StrerndStrernd
1084
1084
1
What you are dealing with is very complex, too complex for theoretical answers in my view. I am sure exact answers already exist within manufacturers' or research labs as guarded information and they are almost certainly empirical results. Numerous binary or tertiary phase diagrams are everywhere on the internet for all the sugars you mentioned, but icecream is more complex than that. There is also the important question of ice crystal control in freeze-thaw cycles with multi-servings. Just for freezing point depression alone, there are gums/gels/polysaccharides involved.
– user110084
Jun 3 '17 at 16:02
Even if we just considered the influence of these sugar on water? I can not imagine that it could be that hard, to get a table of " 10g of sugar x in 100 ml water reduce the freezing point by y °C"
– Strernd
Jun 3 '17 at 16:10
Binary aqueous systems are simple with plenty of data on line. Search under "freezing point depression" and the sugar of interest, and also under "colligative properties" if you wish to dig deeper. For sucrose in water, the relationship is linear. For every 342g (1 mole) of sucrose dissolved in 1000ml water (producing a 1M solution), you have 1.86C freezing point depression.
– user110084
Jun 3 '17 at 16:22
In addition to the sugars listed, I saw an ice-cream shop the other day which has "diet" ice-cream using fructose.
– Peter Taylor
Jul 15 '17 at 8:15
add a comment |
1
What you are dealing with is very complex, too complex for theoretical answers in my view. I am sure exact answers already exist within manufacturers' or research labs as guarded information and they are almost certainly empirical results. Numerous binary or tertiary phase diagrams are everywhere on the internet for all the sugars you mentioned, but icecream is more complex than that. There is also the important question of ice crystal control in freeze-thaw cycles with multi-servings. Just for freezing point depression alone, there are gums/gels/polysaccharides involved.
– user110084
Jun 3 '17 at 16:02
Even if we just considered the influence of these sugar on water? I can not imagine that it could be that hard, to get a table of " 10g of sugar x in 100 ml water reduce the freezing point by y °C"
– Strernd
Jun 3 '17 at 16:10
Binary aqueous systems are simple with plenty of data on line. Search under "freezing point depression" and the sugar of interest, and also under "colligative properties" if you wish to dig deeper. For sucrose in water, the relationship is linear. For every 342g (1 mole) of sucrose dissolved in 1000ml water (producing a 1M solution), you have 1.86C freezing point depression.
– user110084
Jun 3 '17 at 16:22
In addition to the sugars listed, I saw an ice-cream shop the other day which has "diet" ice-cream using fructose.
– Peter Taylor
Jul 15 '17 at 8:15
1
1
What you are dealing with is very complex, too complex for theoretical answers in my view. I am sure exact answers already exist within manufacturers' or research labs as guarded information and they are almost certainly empirical results. Numerous binary or tertiary phase diagrams are everywhere on the internet for all the sugars you mentioned, but icecream is more complex than that. There is also the important question of ice crystal control in freeze-thaw cycles with multi-servings. Just for freezing point depression alone, there are gums/gels/polysaccharides involved.
– user110084
Jun 3 '17 at 16:02
What you are dealing with is very complex, too complex for theoretical answers in my view. I am sure exact answers already exist within manufacturers' or research labs as guarded information and they are almost certainly empirical results. Numerous binary or tertiary phase diagrams are everywhere on the internet for all the sugars you mentioned, but icecream is more complex than that. There is also the important question of ice crystal control in freeze-thaw cycles with multi-servings. Just for freezing point depression alone, there are gums/gels/polysaccharides involved.
– user110084
Jun 3 '17 at 16:02
Even if we just considered the influence of these sugar on water? I can not imagine that it could be that hard, to get a table of " 10g of sugar x in 100 ml water reduce the freezing point by y °C"
– Strernd
Jun 3 '17 at 16:10
Even if we just considered the influence of these sugar on water? I can not imagine that it could be that hard, to get a table of " 10g of sugar x in 100 ml water reduce the freezing point by y °C"
– Strernd
Jun 3 '17 at 16:10
Binary aqueous systems are simple with plenty of data on line. Search under "freezing point depression" and the sugar of interest, and also under "colligative properties" if you wish to dig deeper. For sucrose in water, the relationship is linear. For every 342g (1 mole) of sucrose dissolved in 1000ml water (producing a 1M solution), you have 1.86C freezing point depression.
– user110084
Jun 3 '17 at 16:22
Binary aqueous systems are simple with plenty of data on line. Search under "freezing point depression" and the sugar of interest, and also under "colligative properties" if you wish to dig deeper. For sucrose in water, the relationship is linear. For every 342g (1 mole) of sucrose dissolved in 1000ml water (producing a 1M solution), you have 1.86C freezing point depression.
– user110084
Jun 3 '17 at 16:22
In addition to the sugars listed, I saw an ice-cream shop the other day which has "diet" ice-cream using fructose.
– Peter Taylor
Jul 15 '17 at 8:15
In addition to the sugars listed, I saw an ice-cream shop the other day which has "diet" ice-cream using fructose.
– Peter Taylor
Jul 15 '17 at 8:15
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As already mentioned in comments above, this is quite a complex mixture with equally complex set of properties to balance. However, if you are just looking at it as a simple binary system with water as the solvent and various sugars as solutes, one at a time, then there is a very simple answer (not necessarily useful alone).
For dilute solutions, freezing point depression is primarily driven by the solvent and not so much the solute, and the relationship is linear. For sugars,
Freezing Point Depression (°C) = 1.86 * M
M is mass/molecular-mass of whichever sugar you use in 1000ml of water. For your example of 10g of sucrose in 100ml water, M is 0.29 and your freezing point is minus 0.5C.
For disaccharides like sucrose and lactose, they have identical molecular mass of 342. For simple sugars like glucose and fructose (dextrose is just d-glucose), it is 180. For inverted syrup, you have a mixture. For polyalcohols, you can look up their masses easily.
I would still advise against using this sort of tool alone for icecream making.
Separately, sweetness is less about just dry mass but molar concentration, which is why inverted syrup is sweeter than sucrose, 1 unit of sucrose in the same amount of water is less sweet than if it was broken into their constituent mono-saccharide glucose and fructose; instead of 1 unit of sucrose, you have 1 unit of glucose and 1 unit of fructose, double the concentration.
answered Jun 3 '17 at 16:49
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Thank you for pointing out why it is hard and offering a solution, though. I guess I'll have to just try :D
– Strernd
Jun 3 '17 at 17:06
1
I want to add a caution you may not be aware of. Sugar alcohols - which xylitol is - can cause osmotic diarrhea if too much is eaten. People vary in their sensitivity to them. If you've eaten xylitol sweetened desserts before and had no trouble, you don't need to worry. If you never have, I'd suggest buying a small container of xylitol sweetened ice cream and testing it first.
– Jude
Jun 5 '17 at 2:45
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People who formulate ice cream professionally have a relatively simple method for handling the math. It codifies the more advanced math in user 110084's excellent post.
Basically every ingredient is assigned a sweetness value (called POD) and freezing point depression value (called PAC). These values are relative to sucrose. A gram of sucrose in a 1000g batch of ice cream has a POD and PAC value of 1. 100 grams of sucrose has a value of 100. And so on.
Every water-soluble ingredient has a PAC value, based on its molecular mass. Every ingredient with a perceptible sweetness has a POD value. Relationships are linear, so you can just create a simple spreadsheet using basic arithmetic.
The system is imperfect, but good enough. It doesn't not account for increased hardness you get from ingredients that increase the water-to-solids ratio. And it does not account for added hardness you get from some non-water-based ingredients. Like cocoa butter and nut oils that can be hard as a rock at freezer temperatures. I've compensated for this by assigning (estimated) negative PAC values to these ingredients. But this isn't really precise.
Nevertheless, the goal here isn't to do analytical chemistry or to make ice cream that's perfectly consistent in the eyes of lab instruments. We just want a simple, predictable method for getting ice cream qualities into whatever range that we prefer. This system is effective for this purpose.
I've posted some related information here:
https://underbelly-nyc.blogspot.com/2016/05/sugars-in-ice-cream.html and here:
https://underbelly-nyc.blogspot.com/2017/03/ice-cream-solids-water-ice.html
Soon I plan to post some updated information, including possibly putting a spreadsheet online.
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As already mentioned in comments above, this is quite a complex mixture with equally complex set of properties to balance. However, if you are just looking at it as a simple binary system with water as the solvent and various sugars as solutes, one at a time, then there is a very simple answer (not necessarily useful alone).
For dilute solutions, freezing point depression is primarily driven by the solvent and not so much the solute, and the relationship is linear. For sugars,
Freezing Point Depression (°C) = 1.86 * M
M is mass/molecular-mass of whichever sugar you use in 1000ml of water. For your example of 10g of sucrose in 100ml water, M is 0.29 and your freezing point is minus 0.5C.
For disaccharides like sucrose and lactose, they have identical molecular mass of 342. For simple sugars like glucose and fructose (dextrose is just d-glucose), it is 180. For inverted syrup, you have a mixture. For polyalcohols, you can look up their masses easily.
I would still advise against using this sort of tool alone for icecream making.
Separately, sweetness is less about just dry mass but molar concentration, which is why inverted syrup is sweeter than sucrose, 1 unit of sucrose in the same amount of water is less sweet than if it was broken into their constituent mono-saccharide glucose and fructose; instead of 1 unit of sucrose, you have 1 unit of glucose and 1 unit of fructose, double the concentration.
answered Jun 3 '17 at 16:49
user110084user110084
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Thank you for pointing out why it is hard and offering a solution, though. I guess I'll have to just try :D
– Strernd
Jun 3 '17 at 17:06
1
I want to add a caution you may not be aware of. Sugar alcohols - which xylitol is - can cause osmotic diarrhea if too much is eaten. People vary in their sensitivity to them. If you've eaten xylitol sweetened desserts before and had no trouble, you don't need to worry. If you never have, I'd suggest buying a small container of xylitol sweetened ice cream and testing it first.
– Jude
Jun 5 '17 at 2:45
add a comment |
As already mentioned in comments above, this is quite a complex mixture with equally complex set of properties to balance. However, if you are just looking at it as a simple binary system with water as the solvent and various sugars as solutes, one at a time, then there is a very simple answer (not necessarily useful alone).
For dilute solutions, freezing point depression is primarily driven by the solvent and not so much the solute, and the relationship is linear. For sugars,
Freezing Point Depression (°C) = 1.86 * M
M is mass/molecular-mass of whichever sugar you use in 1000ml of water. For your example of 10g of sucrose in 100ml water, M is 0.29 and your freezing point is minus 0.5C.
For disaccharides like sucrose and lactose, they have identical molecular mass of 342. For simple sugars like glucose and fructose (dextrose is just d-glucose), it is 180. For inverted syrup, you have a mixture. For polyalcohols, you can look up their masses easily.
I would still advise against using this sort of tool alone for icecream making.
Separately, sweetness is less about just dry mass but molar concentration, which is why inverted syrup is sweeter than sucrose, 1 unit of sucrose in the same amount of water is less sweet than if it was broken into their constituent mono-saccharide glucose and fructose; instead of 1 unit of sucrose, you have 1 unit of glucose and 1 unit of fructose, double the concentration.
answered Jun 3 '17 at 16:49
user110084user110084
2,557332
Thank you for pointing out why it is hard and offering a solution, though. I guess I'll have to just try :D
– Strernd
Jun 3 '17 at 17:06
1
I want to add a caution you may not be aware of. Sugar alcohols - which xylitol is - can cause osmotic diarrhea if too much is eaten. People vary in their sensitivity to them. If you've eaten xylitol sweetened desserts before and had no trouble, you don't need to worry. If you never have, I'd suggest buying a small container of xylitol sweetened ice cream and testing it first.
– Jude
Jun 5 '17 at 2:45
add a comment |
As already mentioned in comments above, this is quite a complex mixture with equally complex set of properties to balance. However, if you are just looking at it as a simple binary system with water as the solvent and various sugars as solutes, one at a time, then there is a very simple answer (not necessarily useful alone).
For dilute solutions, freezing point depression is primarily driven by the solvent and not so much the solute, and the relationship is linear. For sugars,
Freezing Point Depression (°C) = 1.86 * M
M is mass/molecular-mass of whichever sugar you use in 1000ml of water. For your example of 10g of sucrose in 100ml water, M is 0.29 and your freezing point is minus 0.5C.
For disaccharides like sucrose and lactose, they have identical molecular mass of 342. For simple sugars like glucose and fructose (dextrose is just d-glucose), it is 180. For inverted syrup, you have a mixture. For polyalcohols, you can look up their masses easily.
I would still advise against using this sort of tool alone for icecream making.
Separately, sweetness is less about just dry mass but molar concentration, which is why inverted syrup is sweeter than sucrose, 1 unit of sucrose in the same amount of water is less sweet than if it was broken into their constituent mono-saccharide glucose and fructose; instead of 1 unit of sucrose, you have 1 unit of glucose and 1 unit of fructose, double the concentration.
answered Jun 3 '17 at 16:49
user110084user110084
2,557332
As already mentioned in comments above, this is quite a complex mixture with equally complex set of properties to balance. However, if you are just looking at it as a simple binary system with water as the solvent and various sugars as solutes, one at a time, then there is a very simple answer (not necessarily useful alone).
For dilute solutions, freezing point depression is primarily driven by the solvent and not so much the solute, and the relationship is linear. For sugars,
Freezing Point Depression (°C) = 1.86 * M
M is mass/molecular-mass of whichever sugar you use in 1000ml of water. For your example of 10g of sucrose in 100ml water, M is 0.29 and your freezing point is minus 0.5C.
For disaccharides like sucrose and lactose, they have identical molecular mass of 342. For simple sugars like glucose and fructose (dextrose is just d-glucose), it is 180. For inverted syrup, you have a mixture. For polyalcohols, you can look up their masses easily.
I would still advise against using this sort of tool alone for icecream making.
Separately, sweetness is less about just dry mass but molar concentration, which is why inverted syrup is sweeter than sucrose, 1 unit of sucrose in the same amount of water is less sweet than if it was broken into their constituent mono-saccharide glucose and fructose; instead of 1 unit of sucrose, you have 1 unit of glucose and 1 unit of fructose, double the concentration.
answered Jun 3 '17 at 16:49
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answered Jun 3 '17 at 16:49
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answered Jun 3 '17 at 16:49
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answered Jun 3 '17 at 16:49
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Thank you for pointing out why it is hard and offering a solution, though. I guess I'll have to just try :D
– Strernd
Jun 3 '17 at 17:06
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I want to add a caution you may not be aware of. Sugar alcohols - which xylitol is - can cause osmotic diarrhea if too much is eaten. People vary in their sensitivity to them. If you've eaten xylitol sweetened desserts before and had no trouble, you don't need to worry. If you never have, I'd suggest buying a small container of xylitol sweetened ice cream and testing it first.
– Jude
Jun 5 '17 at 2:45
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Thank you for pointing out why it is hard and offering a solution, though. I guess I'll have to just try :D
– Strernd
Jun 3 '17 at 17:06
1
I want to add a caution you may not be aware of. Sugar alcohols - which xylitol is - can cause osmotic diarrhea if too much is eaten. People vary in their sensitivity to them. If you've eaten xylitol sweetened desserts before and had no trouble, you don't need to worry. If you never have, I'd suggest buying a small container of xylitol sweetened ice cream and testing it first.
– Jude
Jun 5 '17 at 2:45
Thank you for pointing out why it is hard and offering a solution, though. I guess I'll have to just try :D
– Strernd
Jun 3 '17 at 17:06
Thank you for pointing out why it is hard and offering a solution, though. I guess I'll have to just try :D
– Strernd
Jun 3 '17 at 17:06
1
1
I want to add a caution you may not be aware of. Sugar alcohols - which xylitol is - can cause osmotic diarrhea if too much is eaten. People vary in their sensitivity to them. If you've eaten xylitol sweetened desserts before and had no trouble, you don't need to worry. If you never have, I'd suggest buying a small container of xylitol sweetened ice cream and testing it first.
– Jude
Jun 5 '17 at 2:45
I want to add a caution you may not be aware of. Sugar alcohols - which xylitol is - can cause osmotic diarrhea if too much is eaten. People vary in their sensitivity to them. If you've eaten xylitol sweetened desserts before and had no trouble, you don't need to worry. If you never have, I'd suggest buying a small container of xylitol sweetened ice cream and testing it first.
– Jude
Jun 5 '17 at 2:45
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People who formulate ice cream professionally have a relatively simple method for handling the math. It codifies the more advanced math in user 110084's excellent post.
Basically every ingredient is assigned a sweetness value (called POD) and freezing point depression value (called PAC). These values are relative to sucrose. A gram of sucrose in a 1000g batch of ice cream has a POD and PAC value of 1. 100 grams of sucrose has a value of 100. And so on.
Every water-soluble ingredient has a PAC value, based on its molecular mass. Every ingredient with a perceptible sweetness has a POD value. Relationships are linear, so you can just create a simple spreadsheet using basic arithmetic.
The system is imperfect, but good enough. It doesn't not account for increased hardness you get from ingredients that increase the water-to-solids ratio. And it does not account for added hardness you get from some non-water-based ingredients. Like cocoa butter and nut oils that can be hard as a rock at freezer temperatures. I've compensated for this by assigning (estimated) negative PAC values to these ingredients. But this isn't really precise.
Nevertheless, the goal here isn't to do analytical chemistry or to make ice cream that's perfectly consistent in the eyes of lab instruments. We just want a simple, predictable method for getting ice cream qualities into whatever range that we prefer. This system is effective for this purpose.
I've posted some related information here:
https://underbelly-nyc.blogspot.com/2016/05/sugars-in-ice-cream.html and here:
https://underbelly-nyc.blogspot.com/2017/03/ice-cream-solids-water-ice.html
Soon I plan to post some updated information, including possibly putting a spreadsheet online.
answered 15 hours ago
paulraphaelpaulraphael
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People who formulate ice cream professionally have a relatively simple method for handling the math. It codifies the more advanced math in user 110084's excellent post.
Basically every ingredient is assigned a sweetness value (called POD) and freezing point depression value (called PAC). These values are relative to sucrose. A gram of sucrose in a 1000g batch of ice cream has a POD and PAC value of 1. 100 grams of sucrose has a value of 100. And so on.
Every water-soluble ingredient has a PAC value, based on its molecular mass. Every ingredient with a perceptible sweetness has a POD value. Relationships are linear, so you can just create a simple spreadsheet using basic arithmetic.
The system is imperfect, but good enough. It doesn't not account for increased hardness you get from ingredients that increase the water-to-solids ratio. And it does not account for added hardness you get from some non-water-based ingredients. Like cocoa butter and nut oils that can be hard as a rock at freezer temperatures. I've compensated for this by assigning (estimated) negative PAC values to these ingredients. But this isn't really precise.
Nevertheless, the goal here isn't to do analytical chemistry or to make ice cream that's perfectly consistent in the eyes of lab instruments. We just want a simple, predictable method for getting ice cream qualities into whatever range that we prefer. This system is effective for this purpose.
I've posted some related information here:
https://underbelly-nyc.blogspot.com/2016/05/sugars-in-ice-cream.html and here:
https://underbelly-nyc.blogspot.com/2017/03/ice-cream-solids-water-ice.html
Soon I plan to post some updated information, including possibly putting a spreadsheet online.
answered 15 hours ago
paulraphaelpaulraphael
24924
add a comment |
People who formulate ice cream professionally have a relatively simple method for handling the math. It codifies the more advanced math in user 110084's excellent post.
Basically every ingredient is assigned a sweetness value (called POD) and freezing point depression value (called PAC). These values are relative to sucrose. A gram of sucrose in a 1000g batch of ice cream has a POD and PAC value of 1. 100 grams of sucrose has a value of 100. And so on.
Every water-soluble ingredient has a PAC value, based on its molecular mass. Every ingredient with a perceptible sweetness has a POD value. Relationships are linear, so you can just create a simple spreadsheet using basic arithmetic.
The system is imperfect, but good enough. It doesn't not account for increased hardness you get from ingredients that increase the water-to-solids ratio. And it does not account for added hardness you get from some non-water-based ingredients. Like cocoa butter and nut oils that can be hard as a rock at freezer temperatures. I've compensated for this by assigning (estimated) negative PAC values to these ingredients. But this isn't really precise.
Nevertheless, the goal here isn't to do analytical chemistry or to make ice cream that's perfectly consistent in the eyes of lab instruments. We just want a simple, predictable method for getting ice cream qualities into whatever range that we prefer. This system is effective for this purpose.
I've posted some related information here:
https://underbelly-nyc.blogspot.com/2016/05/sugars-in-ice-cream.html and here:
https://underbelly-nyc.blogspot.com/2017/03/ice-cream-solids-water-ice.html
Soon I plan to post some updated information, including possibly putting a spreadsheet online.
answered 15 hours ago
paulraphaelpaulraphael
24924
People who formulate ice cream professionally have a relatively simple method for handling the math. It codifies the more advanced math in user 110084's excellent post.
Basically every ingredient is assigned a sweetness value (called POD) and freezing point depression value (called PAC). These values are relative to sucrose. A gram of sucrose in a 1000g batch of ice cream has a POD and PAC value of 1. 100 grams of sucrose has a value of 100. And so on.
Every water-soluble ingredient has a PAC value, based on its molecular mass. Every ingredient with a perceptible sweetness has a POD value. Relationships are linear, so you can just create a simple spreadsheet using basic arithmetic.
The system is imperfect, but good enough. It doesn't not account for increased hardness you get from ingredients that increase the water-to-solids ratio. And it does not account for added hardness you get from some non-water-based ingredients. Like cocoa butter and nut oils that can be hard as a rock at freezer temperatures. I've compensated for this by assigning (estimated) negative PAC values to these ingredients. But this isn't really precise.
Nevertheless, the goal here isn't to do analytical chemistry or to make ice cream that's perfectly consistent in the eyes of lab instruments. We just want a simple, predictable method for getting ice cream qualities into whatever range that we prefer. This system is effective for this purpose.
I've posted some related information here:
https://underbelly-nyc.blogspot.com/2016/05/sugars-in-ice-cream.html and here:
https://underbelly-nyc.blogspot.com/2017/03/ice-cream-solids-water-ice.html
Soon I plan to post some updated information, including possibly putting a spreadsheet online.
answered 15 hours ago
paulraphaelpaulraphael
24924
answered 15 hours ago
paulraphaelpaulraphael
24924
answered 15 hours ago
paulraphaelpaulraphael
24924
answered 15 hours ago
paulraphaelpaulraphael
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What you are dealing with is very complex, too complex for theoretical answers in my view. I am sure exact answers already exist within manufacturers' or research labs as guarded information and they are almost certainly empirical results. Numerous binary or tertiary phase diagrams are everywhere on the internet for all the sugars you mentioned, but icecream is more complex than that. There is also the important question of ice crystal control in freeze-thaw cycles with multi-servings. Just for freezing point depression alone, there are gums/gels/polysaccharides involved.
– user110084
Jun 3 '17 at 16:02
Even if we just considered the influence of these sugar on water? I can not imagine that it could be that hard, to get a table of " 10g of sugar x in 100 ml water reduce the freezing point by y °C"
– Strernd
Jun 3 '17 at 16:10
Binary aqueous systems are simple with plenty of data on line. Search under "freezing point depression" and the sugar of interest, and also under "colligative properties" if you wish to dig deeper. For sucrose in water, the relationship is linear. For every 342g (1 mole) of sucrose dissolved in 1000ml water (producing a 1M solution), you have 1.86C freezing point depression.
– user110084
Jun 3 '17 at 16:22
In addition to the sugars listed, I saw an ice-cream shop the other day which has "diet" ice-cream using fructose.
– Peter Taylor
Jul 15 '17 at 8:15