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GFCI outlets - can they be repaired? Are they really needed at the end of a circuit?
How do I replace 4 GFCI receptacles on the same circuit?Can I add a standard receptacle on a GFCI circuitAre non-GFCI outlets that are downstream of a GFCI outlet ground fault protected if they are fed from the GFCI outlet's load side?How can one whole group of outlets stop working, but the wires to one plug on one outlet are still hot?GFCI Outlets Wired Inline 2011 NECI have Direct tv plugged into a gfci protected receptacle. All of the receptacles on same circuit will go dead, but not trip the gfci. Why?How can I replace circuit breakers with GFCI breakers when it is a multiwire branch circuit?Should I add GFCI outlets in my bathrooms if those circuits already have a GFCI remote on them?How should I connect GFCI outlets where the wires loop over the existing outlet?Installing GFCI outlets in multiwire branch circuit
My house just went through a flood and there was 7 feet of muddy water on the first floor, so all the AC outlets were underwater. After the water receded, all the unprotected outlets continued to work just fine. But 4 out of 5 GFCI outlets no longer work and cannot be reset. Can GFCI outlets be taken apart and cleaned/fixed or is there something inside that fails permanently?
Also, all the GFCI outlets are at the ends of their lines. In other words, there is only one wire connected to each LINE terminal and no wires connected to the LOAD terminals. So they only seem to be protecting themselves. But if they failed once they got wet and all the non-GFCI outlets survived, can I just replace them with non-GFCI outlets?
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My house just went through a flood and there was 7 feet of muddy water on the first floor, so all the AC outlets were underwater. After the water receded, all the unprotected outlets continued to work just fine. But 4 out of 5 GFCI outlets no longer work and cannot be reset. Can GFCI outlets be taken apart and cleaned/fixed or is there something inside that fails permanently?
Also, all the GFCI outlets are at the ends of their lines. In other words, there is only one wire connected to each LINE terminal and no wires connected to the LOAD terminals. So they only seem to be protecting themselves. But if they failed once they got wet and all the non-GFCI outlets survived, can I just replace them with non-GFCI outlets?
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You should probably replace all the outlets that were underwater, whether or not they are working now.
– chepner
1 hour ago
All this flood remediation work should be covered by insurance, no? Cost shouldn't be a consideration here.
– Criggie
1 hour ago
Good point, Criggie. I will check with my landlady re: her policy coverage. Thanks!
– Patrick
1 hour ago
2
Wait a minute, landlady? Why are you repairing/replacing anything?
– Nuclear Wang
1 hour ago
Just to answer your question, I do repair and maintenance work here in exchange for reduced rent. Thanks to everyone but I think I've gotten lots of good suggestions and advice and have all the info I need at this point. You folks are the best! :-)
– Patrick
56 mins ago
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My house just went through a flood and there was 7 feet of muddy water on the first floor, so all the AC outlets were underwater. After the water receded, all the unprotected outlets continued to work just fine. But 4 out of 5 GFCI outlets no longer work and cannot be reset. Can GFCI outlets be taken apart and cleaned/fixed or is there something inside that fails permanently?
Also, all the GFCI outlets are at the ends of their lines. In other words, there is only one wire connected to each LINE terminal and no wires connected to the LOAD terminals. So they only seem to be protecting themselves. But if they failed once they got wet and all the non-GFCI outlets survived, can I just replace them with non-GFCI outlets?
electrical receptacle gfci
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My house just went through a flood and there was 7 feet of muddy water on the first floor, so all the AC outlets were underwater. After the water receded, all the unprotected outlets continued to work just fine. But 4 out of 5 GFCI outlets no longer work and cannot be reset. Can GFCI outlets be taken apart and cleaned/fixed or is there something inside that fails permanently?
Also, all the GFCI outlets are at the ends of their lines. In other words, there is only one wire connected to each LINE terminal and no wires connected to the LOAD terminals. So they only seem to be protecting themselves. But if they failed once they got wet and all the non-GFCI outlets survived, can I just replace them with non-GFCI outlets?
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You should probably replace all the outlets that were underwater, whether or not they are working now.
– chepner
1 hour ago
All this flood remediation work should be covered by insurance, no? Cost shouldn't be a consideration here.
– Criggie
1 hour ago
Good point, Criggie. I will check with my landlady re: her policy coverage. Thanks!
– Patrick
1 hour ago
2
Wait a minute, landlady? Why are you repairing/replacing anything?
– Nuclear Wang
1 hour ago
Just to answer your question, I do repair and maintenance work here in exchange for reduced rent. Thanks to everyone but I think I've gotten lots of good suggestions and advice and have all the info I need at this point. You folks are the best! :-)
– Patrick
56 mins ago
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1
You should probably replace all the outlets that were underwater, whether or not they are working now.
– chepner
1 hour ago
All this flood remediation work should be covered by insurance, no? Cost shouldn't be a consideration here.
– Criggie
1 hour ago
Good point, Criggie. I will check with my landlady re: her policy coverage. Thanks!
– Patrick
1 hour ago
2
Wait a minute, landlady? Why are you repairing/replacing anything?
– Nuclear Wang
1 hour ago
Just to answer your question, I do repair and maintenance work here in exchange for reduced rent. Thanks to everyone but I think I've gotten lots of good suggestions and advice and have all the info I need at this point. You folks are the best! :-)
– Patrick
56 mins ago
1
1
You should probably replace all the outlets that were underwater, whether or not they are working now.
– chepner
1 hour ago
You should probably replace all the outlets that were underwater, whether or not they are working now.
– chepner
1 hour ago
All this flood remediation work should be covered by insurance, no? Cost shouldn't be a consideration here.
– Criggie
1 hour ago
All this flood remediation work should be covered by insurance, no? Cost shouldn't be a consideration here.
– Criggie
1 hour ago
Good point, Criggie. I will check with my landlady re: her policy coverage. Thanks!
– Patrick
1 hour ago
Good point, Criggie. I will check with my landlady re: her policy coverage. Thanks!
– Patrick
1 hour ago
2
2
Wait a minute, landlady? Why are you repairing/replacing anything?
– Nuclear Wang
1 hour ago
Wait a minute, landlady? Why are you repairing/replacing anything?
– Nuclear Wang
1 hour ago
Just to answer your question, I do repair and maintenance work here in exchange for reduced rent. Thanks to everyone but I think I've gotten lots of good suggestions and advice and have all the info I need at this point. You folks are the best! :-)
– Patrick
56 mins ago
Just to answer your question, I do repair and maintenance work here in exchange for reduced rent. Thanks to everyone but I think I've gotten lots of good suggestions and advice and have all the info I need at this point. You folks are the best! :-)
– Patrick
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Not worth the risk
GFCI (whether in receptacles or breakers) are sensitive, life safety electronic items. As such, you don't want to mess with them. In fact, the whole purpose of the TEST/RESET buttons is because they can fail, even without obvious problems such as a flood. Newer models even test automatically.
Is it possible that there is simply still water inside the GFCIs so that disassemble, dry, reassemble will work? Yes. Is it a good idea to try that? ABSOLUTELY NOT!
New basic GFCI receptacles are in the $15 - $20 range (varies depending on brand, 15A vs. 20A and other features). Not as cheap as plain receptacles, but not that big in the grand scheme of things.
Presumably the GFCI receptacles were installed because the particular locations - basement, bathroom, laundry room, etc. required them. Assuming that is the case, replacement with plain receptacles would be a code violation. In most places you are not required to upgrade to GFCI unless you are making changes, but downgrading doesn't make sense and is likely a code violation.
Panel Alternative
An alternative is to install GFCI breakers in the main panel. This has the disadvantage that your panel may not have room for GFCI, or if you have a very old panel or fuses instead of breakers then that is not even an option. These breakers also typically cost more than "ordinary breaker" + "GFCI receptacle" so this change would be for practical reasons (e.g., protect outside circuits where a GFCI receptacle would be subject to severe weather) or as part of a panel upgrade. If you are looking at simple cost, replacing the GFCI receptacles where they are currently located will almost certainly be the way to go.
1
Thanks for the quick reply and helpful information about GFCI breakers, manassehkatz. There are 3 circuits involved so it sounds like just replacing the receptacles will be the way to go!
– Patrick
3 hours ago
1
@Patrick To be clear, even if it were 300 replacing would be the way to go. These devices aren't here for fun. Do it right. (And if you value your time at all, there's about a 0% chance doing anything but replacing broken receptacles would be cheaper.)
– GManNickG
16 mins ago
@GManNickG Correct. The # of circuits actually has no bearing on this equation. What could have bearing on the equation would be if you had 5 GFCI receptacles on a single circuit because nobody knew how to use LINE/LOAD correctly. Then replacing all 5 with a single GFCI breaker and 5 regular receptacles would likely be cheaper. But that's not a typical situation.
– manassehkatz
14 mins ago
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It's not practically feasible to clean and repair a GFCI outlet. They're fairly elaborate and sensitive gizmos, and they're not designed to be disassembled. Could you pull it off? Probably. Would I want to? Nope. Would it void the UL listing? Yup.
Whether GFCI outlets are needed at the end of a circuit depends almost entirely on where they're located. The fact that they're the last in a string of outlets is inconsequential. Are they in locations normally exposed to water, such as kitchens and bathrooms? If so, they need to stay.
Thanks for confirming my suspicians, isherwood, and for instructing me re only asking one question at a time. Much appreciated!
– Patrick
3 hours ago
What kinds of things void a UL listing/rating? Is there an official / insurance approved list somewhere?
– Xen2050
2 hours ago
1
"An authorized use of the UL Mark is the manufacturer’s declaration that the product was manufactured in accordance with all applicable requirements, and was in compliance with those requirements when it was shipped from the factory. If that product is modified after it leaves the factory, only a UL Field Evaluation can determine if the modified product complies with UL’s requirements." ul.com/code-authorities/resources/faqs-for-code-authorities Most GFCI outlets are made with tabs and rivets that can't be removed in a non-destructive manner.
– isherwood
1 hour ago
add a comment |
Can GFCI outlets be taken apart and cleaned/fixed or is there something inside that fails permanently?
A GFCI protects you by using a circuit board to watch the current flowing out of the hot and coming back into the neutral. If it reaches around 5mA imbalance, the breaker trips. You said yours were submerged in a flood. Just like your cell phone or computer, the flood ruined the circuitry inside. You cannot repair it yourself (assuming anyone can repair it).
Replacing them is not terribly expensive, and the newer ones have a self-test mechanism.
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Not worth the risk
GFCI (whether in receptacles or breakers) are sensitive, life safety electronic items. As such, you don't want to mess with them. In fact, the whole purpose of the TEST/RESET buttons is because they can fail, even without obvious problems such as a flood. Newer models even test automatically.
Is it possible that there is simply still water inside the GFCIs so that disassemble, dry, reassemble will work? Yes. Is it a good idea to try that? ABSOLUTELY NOT!
New basic GFCI receptacles are in the $15 - $20 range (varies depending on brand, 15A vs. 20A and other features). Not as cheap as plain receptacles, but not that big in the grand scheme of things.
Presumably the GFCI receptacles were installed because the particular locations - basement, bathroom, laundry room, etc. required them. Assuming that is the case, replacement with plain receptacles would be a code violation. In most places you are not required to upgrade to GFCI unless you are making changes, but downgrading doesn't make sense and is likely a code violation.
Panel Alternative
An alternative is to install GFCI breakers in the main panel. This has the disadvantage that your panel may not have room for GFCI, or if you have a very old panel or fuses instead of breakers then that is not even an option. These breakers also typically cost more than "ordinary breaker" + "GFCI receptacle" so this change would be for practical reasons (e.g., protect outside circuits where a GFCI receptacle would be subject to severe weather) or as part of a panel upgrade. If you are looking at simple cost, replacing the GFCI receptacles where they are currently located will almost certainly be the way to go.
1
Thanks for the quick reply and helpful information about GFCI breakers, manassehkatz. There are 3 circuits involved so it sounds like just replacing the receptacles will be the way to go!
– Patrick
3 hours ago
1
@Patrick To be clear, even if it were 300 replacing would be the way to go. These devices aren't here for fun. Do it right. (And if you value your time at all, there's about a 0% chance doing anything but replacing broken receptacles would be cheaper.)
– GManNickG
16 mins ago
@GManNickG Correct. The # of circuits actually has no bearing on this equation. What could have bearing on the equation would be if you had 5 GFCI receptacles on a single circuit because nobody knew how to use LINE/LOAD correctly. Then replacing all 5 with a single GFCI breaker and 5 regular receptacles would likely be cheaper. But that's not a typical situation.
– manassehkatz
14 mins ago
add a comment |
Not worth the risk
GFCI (whether in receptacles or breakers) are sensitive, life safety electronic items. As such, you don't want to mess with them. In fact, the whole purpose of the TEST/RESET buttons is because they can fail, even without obvious problems such as a flood. Newer models even test automatically.
Is it possible that there is simply still water inside the GFCIs so that disassemble, dry, reassemble will work? Yes. Is it a good idea to try that? ABSOLUTELY NOT!
New basic GFCI receptacles are in the $15 - $20 range (varies depending on brand, 15A vs. 20A and other features). Not as cheap as plain receptacles, but not that big in the grand scheme of things.
Presumably the GFCI receptacles were installed because the particular locations - basement, bathroom, laundry room, etc. required them. Assuming that is the case, replacement with plain receptacles would be a code violation. In most places you are not required to upgrade to GFCI unless you are making changes, but downgrading doesn't make sense and is likely a code violation.
Panel Alternative
An alternative is to install GFCI breakers in the main panel. This has the disadvantage that your panel may not have room for GFCI, or if you have a very old panel or fuses instead of breakers then that is not even an option. These breakers also typically cost more than "ordinary breaker" + "GFCI receptacle" so this change would be for practical reasons (e.g., protect outside circuits where a GFCI receptacle would be subject to severe weather) or as part of a panel upgrade. If you are looking at simple cost, replacing the GFCI receptacles where they are currently located will almost certainly be the way to go.
1
Thanks for the quick reply and helpful information about GFCI breakers, manassehkatz. There are 3 circuits involved so it sounds like just replacing the receptacles will be the way to go!
– Patrick
3 hours ago
1
@Patrick To be clear, even if it were 300 replacing would be the way to go. These devices aren't here for fun. Do it right. (And if you value your time at all, there's about a 0% chance doing anything but replacing broken receptacles would be cheaper.)
– GManNickG
16 mins ago
@GManNickG Correct. The # of circuits actually has no bearing on this equation. What could have bearing on the equation would be if you had 5 GFCI receptacles on a single circuit because nobody knew how to use LINE/LOAD correctly. Then replacing all 5 with a single GFCI breaker and 5 regular receptacles would likely be cheaper. But that's not a typical situation.
– manassehkatz
14 mins ago
add a comment |
Not worth the risk
GFCI (whether in receptacles or breakers) are sensitive, life safety electronic items. As such, you don't want to mess with them. In fact, the whole purpose of the TEST/RESET buttons is because they can fail, even without obvious problems such as a flood. Newer models even test automatically.
Is it possible that there is simply still water inside the GFCIs so that disassemble, dry, reassemble will work? Yes. Is it a good idea to try that? ABSOLUTELY NOT!
New basic GFCI receptacles are in the $15 - $20 range (varies depending on brand, 15A vs. 20A and other features). Not as cheap as plain receptacles, but not that big in the grand scheme of things.
Presumably the GFCI receptacles were installed because the particular locations - basement, bathroom, laundry room, etc. required them. Assuming that is the case, replacement with plain receptacles would be a code violation. In most places you are not required to upgrade to GFCI unless you are making changes, but downgrading doesn't make sense and is likely a code violation.
Panel Alternative
An alternative is to install GFCI breakers in the main panel. This has the disadvantage that your panel may not have room for GFCI, or if you have a very old panel or fuses instead of breakers then that is not even an option. These breakers also typically cost more than "ordinary breaker" + "GFCI receptacle" so this change would be for practical reasons (e.g., protect outside circuits where a GFCI receptacle would be subject to severe weather) or as part of a panel upgrade. If you are looking at simple cost, replacing the GFCI receptacles where they are currently located will almost certainly be the way to go.
Not worth the risk
GFCI (whether in receptacles or breakers) are sensitive, life safety electronic items. As such, you don't want to mess with them. In fact, the whole purpose of the TEST/RESET buttons is because they can fail, even without obvious problems such as a flood. Newer models even test automatically.
Is it possible that there is simply still water inside the GFCIs so that disassemble, dry, reassemble will work? Yes. Is it a good idea to try that? ABSOLUTELY NOT!
New basic GFCI receptacles are in the $15 - $20 range (varies depending on brand, 15A vs. 20A and other features). Not as cheap as plain receptacles, but not that big in the grand scheme of things.
Presumably the GFCI receptacles were installed because the particular locations - basement, bathroom, laundry room, etc. required them. Assuming that is the case, replacement with plain receptacles would be a code violation. In most places you are not required to upgrade to GFCI unless you are making changes, but downgrading doesn't make sense and is likely a code violation.
Panel Alternative
An alternative is to install GFCI breakers in the main panel. This has the disadvantage that your panel may not have room for GFCI, or if you have a very old panel or fuses instead of breakers then that is not even an option. These breakers also typically cost more than "ordinary breaker" + "GFCI receptacle" so this change would be for practical reasons (e.g., protect outside circuits where a GFCI receptacle would be subject to severe weather) or as part of a panel upgrade. If you are looking at simple cost, replacing the GFCI receptacles where they are currently located will almost certainly be the way to go.
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Thanks for the quick reply and helpful information about GFCI breakers, manassehkatz. There are 3 circuits involved so it sounds like just replacing the receptacles will be the way to go!
– Patrick
3 hours ago
1
@Patrick To be clear, even if it were 300 replacing would be the way to go. These devices aren't here for fun. Do it right. (And if you value your time at all, there's about a 0% chance doing anything but replacing broken receptacles would be cheaper.)
– GManNickG
16 mins ago
@GManNickG Correct. The # of circuits actually has no bearing on this equation. What could have bearing on the equation would be if you had 5 GFCI receptacles on a single circuit because nobody knew how to use LINE/LOAD correctly. Then replacing all 5 with a single GFCI breaker and 5 regular receptacles would likely be cheaper. But that's not a typical situation.
– manassehkatz
14 mins ago
add a comment |
1
Thanks for the quick reply and helpful information about GFCI breakers, manassehkatz. There are 3 circuits involved so it sounds like just replacing the receptacles will be the way to go!
– Patrick
3 hours ago
1
@Patrick To be clear, even if it were 300 replacing would be the way to go. These devices aren't here for fun. Do it right. (And if you value your time at all, there's about a 0% chance doing anything but replacing broken receptacles would be cheaper.)
– GManNickG
16 mins ago
@GManNickG Correct. The # of circuits actually has no bearing on this equation. What could have bearing on the equation would be if you had 5 GFCI receptacles on a single circuit because nobody knew how to use LINE/LOAD correctly. Then replacing all 5 with a single GFCI breaker and 5 regular receptacles would likely be cheaper. But that's not a typical situation.
– manassehkatz
14 mins ago
1
1
Thanks for the quick reply and helpful information about GFCI breakers, manassehkatz. There are 3 circuits involved so it sounds like just replacing the receptacles will be the way to go!
– Patrick
3 hours ago
Thanks for the quick reply and helpful information about GFCI breakers, manassehkatz. There are 3 circuits involved so it sounds like just replacing the receptacles will be the way to go!
– Patrick
3 hours ago
1
1
@Patrick To be clear, even if it were 300 replacing would be the way to go. These devices aren't here for fun. Do it right. (And if you value your time at all, there's about a 0% chance doing anything but replacing broken receptacles would be cheaper.)
– GManNickG
16 mins ago
@Patrick To be clear, even if it were 300 replacing would be the way to go. These devices aren't here for fun. Do it right. (And if you value your time at all, there's about a 0% chance doing anything but replacing broken receptacles would be cheaper.)
– GManNickG
16 mins ago
@GManNickG Correct. The # of circuits actually has no bearing on this equation. What could have bearing on the equation would be if you had 5 GFCI receptacles on a single circuit because nobody knew how to use LINE/LOAD correctly. Then replacing all 5 with a single GFCI breaker and 5 regular receptacles would likely be cheaper. But that's not a typical situation.
– manassehkatz
14 mins ago
@GManNickG Correct. The # of circuits actually has no bearing on this equation. What could have bearing on the equation would be if you had 5 GFCI receptacles on a single circuit because nobody knew how to use LINE/LOAD correctly. Then replacing all 5 with a single GFCI breaker and 5 regular receptacles would likely be cheaper. But that's not a typical situation.
– manassehkatz
14 mins ago
add a comment |
It's not practically feasible to clean and repair a GFCI outlet. They're fairly elaborate and sensitive gizmos, and they're not designed to be disassembled. Could you pull it off? Probably. Would I want to? Nope. Would it void the UL listing? Yup.
Whether GFCI outlets are needed at the end of a circuit depends almost entirely on where they're located. The fact that they're the last in a string of outlets is inconsequential. Are they in locations normally exposed to water, such as kitchens and bathrooms? If so, they need to stay.
Thanks for confirming my suspicians, isherwood, and for instructing me re only asking one question at a time. Much appreciated!
– Patrick
3 hours ago
What kinds of things void a UL listing/rating? Is there an official / insurance approved list somewhere?
– Xen2050
2 hours ago
1
"An authorized use of the UL Mark is the manufacturer’s declaration that the product was manufactured in accordance with all applicable requirements, and was in compliance with those requirements when it was shipped from the factory. If that product is modified after it leaves the factory, only a UL Field Evaluation can determine if the modified product complies with UL’s requirements." ul.com/code-authorities/resources/faqs-for-code-authorities Most GFCI outlets are made with tabs and rivets that can't be removed in a non-destructive manner.
– isherwood
1 hour ago
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It's not practically feasible to clean and repair a GFCI outlet. They're fairly elaborate and sensitive gizmos, and they're not designed to be disassembled. Could you pull it off? Probably. Would I want to? Nope. Would it void the UL listing? Yup.
Whether GFCI outlets are needed at the end of a circuit depends almost entirely on where they're located. The fact that they're the last in a string of outlets is inconsequential. Are they in locations normally exposed to water, such as kitchens and bathrooms? If so, they need to stay.
Thanks for confirming my suspicians, isherwood, and for instructing me re only asking one question at a time. Much appreciated!
– Patrick
3 hours ago
What kinds of things void a UL listing/rating? Is there an official / insurance approved list somewhere?
– Xen2050
2 hours ago
1
"An authorized use of the UL Mark is the manufacturer’s declaration that the product was manufactured in accordance with all applicable requirements, and was in compliance with those requirements when it was shipped from the factory. If that product is modified after it leaves the factory, only a UL Field Evaluation can determine if the modified product complies with UL’s requirements." ul.com/code-authorities/resources/faqs-for-code-authorities Most GFCI outlets are made with tabs and rivets that can't be removed in a non-destructive manner.
– isherwood
1 hour ago
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It's not practically feasible to clean and repair a GFCI outlet. They're fairly elaborate and sensitive gizmos, and they're not designed to be disassembled. Could you pull it off? Probably. Would I want to? Nope. Would it void the UL listing? Yup.
Whether GFCI outlets are needed at the end of a circuit depends almost entirely on where they're located. The fact that they're the last in a string of outlets is inconsequential. Are they in locations normally exposed to water, such as kitchens and bathrooms? If so, they need to stay.
It's not practically feasible to clean and repair a GFCI outlet. They're fairly elaborate and sensitive gizmos, and they're not designed to be disassembled. Could you pull it off? Probably. Would I want to? Nope. Would it void the UL listing? Yup.
Whether GFCI outlets are needed at the end of a circuit depends almost entirely on where they're located. The fact that they're the last in a string of outlets is inconsequential. Are they in locations normally exposed to water, such as kitchens and bathrooms? If so, they need to stay.
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answered 3 hours ago
isherwoodisherwood
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Thanks for confirming my suspicians, isherwood, and for instructing me re only asking one question at a time. Much appreciated!
– Patrick
3 hours ago
What kinds of things void a UL listing/rating? Is there an official / insurance approved list somewhere?
– Xen2050
2 hours ago
1
"An authorized use of the UL Mark is the manufacturer’s declaration that the product was manufactured in accordance with all applicable requirements, and was in compliance with those requirements when it was shipped from the factory. If that product is modified after it leaves the factory, only a UL Field Evaluation can determine if the modified product complies with UL’s requirements." ul.com/code-authorities/resources/faqs-for-code-authorities Most GFCI outlets are made with tabs and rivets that can't be removed in a non-destructive manner.
– isherwood
1 hour ago
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Thanks for confirming my suspicians, isherwood, and for instructing me re only asking one question at a time. Much appreciated!
– Patrick
3 hours ago
What kinds of things void a UL listing/rating? Is there an official / insurance approved list somewhere?
– Xen2050
2 hours ago
1
"An authorized use of the UL Mark is the manufacturer’s declaration that the product was manufactured in accordance with all applicable requirements, and was in compliance with those requirements when it was shipped from the factory. If that product is modified after it leaves the factory, only a UL Field Evaluation can determine if the modified product complies with UL’s requirements." ul.com/code-authorities/resources/faqs-for-code-authorities Most GFCI outlets are made with tabs and rivets that can't be removed in a non-destructive manner.
– isherwood
1 hour ago
Thanks for confirming my suspicians, isherwood, and for instructing me re only asking one question at a time. Much appreciated!
– Patrick
3 hours ago
Thanks for confirming my suspicians, isherwood, and for instructing me re only asking one question at a time. Much appreciated!
– Patrick
3 hours ago
What kinds of things void a UL listing/rating? Is there an official / insurance approved list somewhere?
– Xen2050
2 hours ago
What kinds of things void a UL listing/rating? Is there an official / insurance approved list somewhere?
– Xen2050
2 hours ago
1
1
"An authorized use of the UL Mark is the manufacturer’s declaration that the product was manufactured in accordance with all applicable requirements, and was in compliance with those requirements when it was shipped from the factory. If that product is modified after it leaves the factory, only a UL Field Evaluation can determine if the modified product complies with UL’s requirements." ul.com/code-authorities/resources/faqs-for-code-authorities Most GFCI outlets are made with tabs and rivets that can't be removed in a non-destructive manner.
– isherwood
1 hour ago
"An authorized use of the UL Mark is the manufacturer’s declaration that the product was manufactured in accordance with all applicable requirements, and was in compliance with those requirements when it was shipped from the factory. If that product is modified after it leaves the factory, only a UL Field Evaluation can determine if the modified product complies with UL’s requirements." ul.com/code-authorities/resources/faqs-for-code-authorities Most GFCI outlets are made with tabs and rivets that can't be removed in a non-destructive manner.
– isherwood
1 hour ago
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Can GFCI outlets be taken apart and cleaned/fixed or is there something inside that fails permanently?
A GFCI protects you by using a circuit board to watch the current flowing out of the hot and coming back into the neutral. If it reaches around 5mA imbalance, the breaker trips. You said yours were submerged in a flood. Just like your cell phone or computer, the flood ruined the circuitry inside. You cannot repair it yourself (assuming anyone can repair it).
Replacing them is not terribly expensive, and the newer ones have a self-test mechanism.
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Can GFCI outlets be taken apart and cleaned/fixed or is there something inside that fails permanently?
A GFCI protects you by using a circuit board to watch the current flowing out of the hot and coming back into the neutral. If it reaches around 5mA imbalance, the breaker trips. You said yours were submerged in a flood. Just like your cell phone or computer, the flood ruined the circuitry inside. You cannot repair it yourself (assuming anyone can repair it).
Replacing them is not terribly expensive, and the newer ones have a self-test mechanism.
add a comment |
Can GFCI outlets be taken apart and cleaned/fixed or is there something inside that fails permanently?
A GFCI protects you by using a circuit board to watch the current flowing out of the hot and coming back into the neutral. If it reaches around 5mA imbalance, the breaker trips. You said yours were submerged in a flood. Just like your cell phone or computer, the flood ruined the circuitry inside. You cannot repair it yourself (assuming anyone can repair it).
Replacing them is not terribly expensive, and the newer ones have a self-test mechanism.
Can GFCI outlets be taken apart and cleaned/fixed or is there something inside that fails permanently?
A GFCI protects you by using a circuit board to watch the current flowing out of the hot and coming back into the neutral. If it reaches around 5mA imbalance, the breaker trips. You said yours were submerged in a flood. Just like your cell phone or computer, the flood ruined the circuitry inside. You cannot repair it yourself (assuming anyone can repair it).
Replacing them is not terribly expensive, and the newer ones have a self-test mechanism.
answered 2 hours ago
MachavityMachavity
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You should probably replace all the outlets that were underwater, whether or not they are working now.
– chepner
1 hour ago
All this flood remediation work should be covered by insurance, no? Cost shouldn't be a consideration here.
– Criggie
1 hour ago
Good point, Criggie. I will check with my landlady re: her policy coverage. Thanks!
– Patrick
1 hour ago
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Wait a minute, landlady? Why are you repairing/replacing anything?
– Nuclear Wang
1 hour ago
Just to answer your question, I do repair and maintenance work here in exchange for reduced rent. Thanks to everyone but I think I've gotten lots of good suggestions and advice and have all the info I need at this point. You folks are the best! :-)
– Patrick
56 mins ago