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Can this note be analyzed as a non-chord tone?



The Next CEO of Stack OverflowIs there a specific name for the use of IV chord over the V in the bass, e.g. F/G in the key of CHow to interpret non-diatonic note?How do you write successive, non-functional chord progressions?“Spoiled” suspensionSymmetry Instead of TonaliityWhat can a dominant seventh over a submediant chord resolve to?How to analyze consecutive V7 chordsEffect of voicing / bass note on function of 7sus4 chordModal Chord FamiliesHow a chord is analyzed as a “chromatic mediant of the V”?Am I right in that it is a diminished triad without the third?










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I know that post-tonal and popular music can't always be analyzed through the same methods as the Common Practice Period, but I still like to see how people would try analyzing things.



This is a chord progression from a song that came out last year that I love ("Fragile" by Yes).



In the second chord (C/D), would that simply be analyzed as IV/pedV? I don't know if the D is a pedal tone since in the next chord it moves down to the G, and it's not really a suspension since it doesn't resolve to anything there.



Is this simply too different from tonal practice methods to be analyzed the same way classical pieces from the past would have been?










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  • Why is C/D not a suspension? I think it's quite similar to D7sus4.

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  • For what it's worth, to my antiquarian-habituated ears this is just a perfect cadence decorated with a plagal cadence. To me it has a softening rather than an intensifying effect. The G in the second chord is an anticipation, which contributes to this softening effect.

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I know that post-tonal and popular music can't always be analyzed through the same methods as the Common Practice Period, but I still like to see how people would try analyzing things.



This is a chord progression from a song that came out last year that I love ("Fragile" by Yes).



In the second chord (C/D), would that simply be analyzed as IV/pedV? I don't know if the D is a pedal tone since in the next chord it moves down to the G, and it's not really a suspension since it doesn't resolve to anything there.



Is this simply too different from tonal practice methods to be analyzed the same way classical pieces from the past would have been?










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  • Why is C/D not a suspension? I think it's quite similar to D7sus4.

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  • For what it's worth, to my antiquarian-habituated ears this is just a perfect cadence decorated with a plagal cadence. To me it has a softening rather than an intensifying effect. The G in the second chord is an anticipation, which contributes to this softening effect.

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I know that post-tonal and popular music can't always be analyzed through the same methods as the Common Practice Period, but I still like to see how people would try analyzing things.



This is a chord progression from a song that came out last year that I love ("Fragile" by Yes).



In the second chord (C/D), would that simply be analyzed as IV/pedV? I don't know if the D is a pedal tone since in the next chord it moves down to the G, and it's not really a suspension since it doesn't resolve to anything there.



Is this simply too different from tonal practice methods to be analyzed the same way classical pieces from the past would have been?










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I know that post-tonal and popular music can't always be analyzed through the same methods as the Common Practice Period, but I still like to see how people would try analyzing things.



This is a chord progression from a song that came out last year that I love ("Fragile" by Yes).



In the second chord (C/D), would that simply be analyzed as IV/pedV? I don't know if the D is a pedal tone since in the next chord it moves down to the G, and it's not really a suspension since it doesn't resolve to anything there.



Is this simply too different from tonal practice methods to be analyzed the same way classical pieces from the past would have been?







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  • Why is C/D not a suspension? I think it's quite similar to D7sus4.

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  • For what it's worth, to my antiquarian-habituated ears this is just a perfect cadence decorated with a plagal cadence. To me it has a softening rather than an intensifying effect. The G in the second chord is an anticipation, which contributes to this softening effect.

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  • Why is C/D not a suspension? I think it's quite similar to D7sus4.

    – piiperi
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  • For what it's worth, to my antiquarian-habituated ears this is just a perfect cadence decorated with a plagal cadence. To me it has a softening rather than an intensifying effect. The G in the second chord is an anticipation, which contributes to this softening effect.

    – replete
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Why is C/D not a suspension? I think it's quite similar to D7sus4.

– piiperi
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Why is C/D not a suspension? I think it's quite similar to D7sus4.

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For what it's worth, to my antiquarian-habituated ears this is just a perfect cadence decorated with a plagal cadence. To me it has a softening rather than an intensifying effect. The G in the second chord is an anticipation, which contributes to this softening effect.

– replete
1 hour ago






For what it's worth, to my antiquarian-habituated ears this is just a perfect cadence decorated with a plagal cadence. To me it has a softening rather than an intensifying effect. The G in the second chord is an anticipation, which contributes to this softening effect.

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I would personally view this second measure as its own chord that embellishes the previous measure. In popular music, it's very common to have a IV chord over scale-degree 5 in the bass. Some call this a "rock dominant," and it's basically just a particular voicing of a V11 chord. (See also Is there a specific name for the use of IV chord over the V in the bass, e.g. F/G in the key of C)



Looking at this chord in context, it just adds some extra dissonance above the already tension-filled dominant chord to help lead to the succeeding tonic even more strongly.






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    It's a very common chord progression. The C/D works as a milder or more ambivalent substitute for D7. You could think of it as having a sus4. Other chords that work similarly are D11, Dsus4, D7sus4.



    When you have a "can this be analyzed as an X chord" question, why not treat it like a hypothesis and then try to prove or disprove it? If you think the C/D chord could be seen as serving a V chord function, take existing songs that have a V chord (just about any song will do, because almost all songs have a V chord somewhere), and replace the V chords with IV/V chords. How does it change things? When does it work and when does it not work?






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      I would personally view this second measure as its own chord that embellishes the previous measure. In popular music, it's very common to have a IV chord over scale-degree 5 in the bass. Some call this a "rock dominant," and it's basically just a particular voicing of a V11 chord. (See also Is there a specific name for the use of IV chord over the V in the bass, e.g. F/G in the key of C)



      Looking at this chord in context, it just adds some extra dissonance above the already tension-filled dominant chord to help lead to the succeeding tonic even more strongly.






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        I would personally view this second measure as its own chord that embellishes the previous measure. In popular music, it's very common to have a IV chord over scale-degree 5 in the bass. Some call this a "rock dominant," and it's basically just a particular voicing of a V11 chord. (See also Is there a specific name for the use of IV chord over the V in the bass, e.g. F/G in the key of C)



        Looking at this chord in context, it just adds some extra dissonance above the already tension-filled dominant chord to help lead to the succeeding tonic even more strongly.






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          I would personally view this second measure as its own chord that embellishes the previous measure. In popular music, it's very common to have a IV chord over scale-degree 5 in the bass. Some call this a "rock dominant," and it's basically just a particular voicing of a V11 chord. (See also Is there a specific name for the use of IV chord over the V in the bass, e.g. F/G in the key of C)



          Looking at this chord in context, it just adds some extra dissonance above the already tension-filled dominant chord to help lead to the succeeding tonic even more strongly.






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          I would personally view this second measure as its own chord that embellishes the previous measure. In popular music, it's very common to have a IV chord over scale-degree 5 in the bass. Some call this a "rock dominant," and it's basically just a particular voicing of a V11 chord. (See also Is there a specific name for the use of IV chord over the V in the bass, e.g. F/G in the key of C)



          Looking at this chord in context, it just adds some extra dissonance above the already tension-filled dominant chord to help lead to the succeeding tonic even more strongly.







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              It's a very common chord progression. The C/D works as a milder or more ambivalent substitute for D7. You could think of it as having a sus4. Other chords that work similarly are D11, Dsus4, D7sus4.



              When you have a "can this be analyzed as an X chord" question, why not treat it like a hypothesis and then try to prove or disprove it? If you think the C/D chord could be seen as serving a V chord function, take existing songs that have a V chord (just about any song will do, because almost all songs have a V chord somewhere), and replace the V chords with IV/V chords. How does it change things? When does it work and when does it not work?






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                It's a very common chord progression. The C/D works as a milder or more ambivalent substitute for D7. You could think of it as having a sus4. Other chords that work similarly are D11, Dsus4, D7sus4.



                When you have a "can this be analyzed as an X chord" question, why not treat it like a hypothesis and then try to prove or disprove it? If you think the C/D chord could be seen as serving a V chord function, take existing songs that have a V chord (just about any song will do, because almost all songs have a V chord somewhere), and replace the V chords with IV/V chords. How does it change things? When does it work and when does it not work?






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                  It's a very common chord progression. The C/D works as a milder or more ambivalent substitute for D7. You could think of it as having a sus4. Other chords that work similarly are D11, Dsus4, D7sus4.



                  When you have a "can this be analyzed as an X chord" question, why not treat it like a hypothesis and then try to prove or disprove it? If you think the C/D chord could be seen as serving a V chord function, take existing songs that have a V chord (just about any song will do, because almost all songs have a V chord somewhere), and replace the V chords with IV/V chords. How does it change things? When does it work and when does it not work?






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                  It's a very common chord progression. The C/D works as a milder or more ambivalent substitute for D7. You could think of it as having a sus4. Other chords that work similarly are D11, Dsus4, D7sus4.



                  When you have a "can this be analyzed as an X chord" question, why not treat it like a hypothesis and then try to prove or disprove it? If you think the C/D chord could be seen as serving a V chord function, take existing songs that have a V chord (just about any song will do, because almost all songs have a V chord somewhere), and replace the V chords with IV/V chords. How does it change things? When does it work and when does it not work?







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