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How long to sous vide a tough cut of steak?


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With most steaks the recommended cooking time in sous vide is about an hour (of course depending on the thickness of the cut).



I have done some sous vide cooks recently, and they always ended up perfect until last time, where I had a ribeye, which turned out tough and chewy.



I have since learned, that ribeye in particular has some connective tissue, which can make it tough. I have also learned, that most tenderizing methods, like vinegar or baking soda don't actually really work, because they are only in contact with the meat on the outside.



So I was wondering if I could improve the result, if I simply increase the cooking time to say 2h? Or should it be way longer than that in order to tenderize the connective tissue?



What would be the downside of increasing the cooking time?










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With most steaks the recommended cooking time in sous vide is about an hour (of course depending on the thickness of the cut).



I have done some sous vide cooks recently, and they always ended up perfect until last time, where I had a ribeye, which turned out tough and chewy.



I have since learned, that ribeye in particular has some connective tissue, which can make it tough. I have also learned, that most tenderizing methods, like vinegar or baking soda don't actually really work, because they are only in contact with the meat on the outside.



So I was wondering if I could improve the result, if I simply increase the cooking time to say 2h? Or should it be way longer than that in order to tenderize the connective tissue?



What would be the downside of increasing the cooking time?










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  • 60 hours: cooking.stackexchange.com/a/53376/67 . You just have to cook it at a low enough temperature that you're not overcooking it

    – Joe
    yesterday











  • Sounds like you had a really bad ribeye. Ribeye is one of the most tender cuts from the whole cow.

    – Behacad
    7 hours ago













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With most steaks the recommended cooking time in sous vide is about an hour (of course depending on the thickness of the cut).



I have done some sous vide cooks recently, and they always ended up perfect until last time, where I had a ribeye, which turned out tough and chewy.



I have since learned, that ribeye in particular has some connective tissue, which can make it tough. I have also learned, that most tenderizing methods, like vinegar or baking soda don't actually really work, because they are only in contact with the meat on the outside.



So I was wondering if I could improve the result, if I simply increase the cooking time to say 2h? Or should it be way longer than that in order to tenderize the connective tissue?



What would be the downside of increasing the cooking time?










share|improve this question














With most steaks the recommended cooking time in sous vide is about an hour (of course depending on the thickness of the cut).



I have done some sous vide cooks recently, and they always ended up perfect until last time, where I had a ribeye, which turned out tough and chewy.



I have since learned, that ribeye in particular has some connective tissue, which can make it tough. I have also learned, that most tenderizing methods, like vinegar or baking soda don't actually really work, because they are only in contact with the meat on the outside.



So I was wondering if I could improve the result, if I simply increase the cooking time to say 2h? Or should it be way longer than that in order to tenderize the connective tissue?



What would be the downside of increasing the cooking time?







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  • 60 hours: cooking.stackexchange.com/a/53376/67 . You just have to cook it at a low enough temperature that you're not overcooking it

    – Joe
    yesterday











  • Sounds like you had a really bad ribeye. Ribeye is one of the most tender cuts from the whole cow.

    – Behacad
    7 hours ago

















  • 60 hours: cooking.stackexchange.com/a/53376/67 . You just have to cook it at a low enough temperature that you're not overcooking it

    – Joe
    yesterday











  • Sounds like you had a really bad ribeye. Ribeye is one of the most tender cuts from the whole cow.

    – Behacad
    7 hours ago
















60 hours: cooking.stackexchange.com/a/53376/67 . You just have to cook it at a low enough temperature that you're not overcooking it

– Joe
yesterday





60 hours: cooking.stackexchange.com/a/53376/67 . You just have to cook it at a low enough temperature that you're not overcooking it

– Joe
yesterday













Sounds like you had a really bad ribeye. Ribeye is one of the most tender cuts from the whole cow.

– Behacad
7 hours ago





Sounds like you had a really bad ribeye. Ribeye is one of the most tender cuts from the whole cow.

– Behacad
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In general, the longer you cook a protein at low temperature the more the texture will change. However, it doesn't just get more tender. It can get stringy, or mushy, and unpleasant over time, depending on the type of protein. Thickness and type of muscle matters when calculating time.



In general, I cook 1 - 2 inch thick rib eye like any other traditional steak, for between 1 and 2 hours to achieve a typical mouthfeel/texture. On the other hand, I have cooked oxtail for up to 100 hours using sous vide. You can safely cook as long as you want, but there will be a point when you might not like the results.



Rib eye is not generally considered a "tough cut". Two hours won't change things that much, but if you want to experiment, I would suggest cooking three identical steaks of your choice for three different times, then sear and see what you think.



This is a helpful guide that might also shed light on your questions.






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    Collagen (type-1, for the scientific folks), one of the major connective tissues in beef, begins to dissolve into gelatin starting at 55°C (131°F) but very slowly, long enough for the meat itself to become mush. The pace increases with rising temperature to about 71°C (160°F), at which point further rises in temperature don't accelerate the process much -- but that would be medium-well, a crime for ribeye. Unfortunately, collagen begins to denature at 68°C (154°F), which is also when the meat begins to constrict/toughen substantially and release lots of its juices. Cooks Illustrated suggests 54°C/130°F for 2-3 hours, but in my steak that didn't melt the collagen at all. I find the best trade-off is medium, 63-64°C (145-147°F) for 3 hours. Yes, it isn't the deep rosy and extra-tender medium rare, but most of the connective tissue vanishes and is replaced with luscious gelatin.






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      In general, the longer you cook a protein at low temperature the more the texture will change. However, it doesn't just get more tender. It can get stringy, or mushy, and unpleasant over time, depending on the type of protein. Thickness and type of muscle matters when calculating time.



      In general, I cook 1 - 2 inch thick rib eye like any other traditional steak, for between 1 and 2 hours to achieve a typical mouthfeel/texture. On the other hand, I have cooked oxtail for up to 100 hours using sous vide. You can safely cook as long as you want, but there will be a point when you might not like the results.



      Rib eye is not generally considered a "tough cut". Two hours won't change things that much, but if you want to experiment, I would suggest cooking three identical steaks of your choice for three different times, then sear and see what you think.



      This is a helpful guide that might also shed light on your questions.






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        In general, the longer you cook a protein at low temperature the more the texture will change. However, it doesn't just get more tender. It can get stringy, or mushy, and unpleasant over time, depending on the type of protein. Thickness and type of muscle matters when calculating time.



        In general, I cook 1 - 2 inch thick rib eye like any other traditional steak, for between 1 and 2 hours to achieve a typical mouthfeel/texture. On the other hand, I have cooked oxtail for up to 100 hours using sous vide. You can safely cook as long as you want, but there will be a point when you might not like the results.



        Rib eye is not generally considered a "tough cut". Two hours won't change things that much, but if you want to experiment, I would suggest cooking three identical steaks of your choice for three different times, then sear and see what you think.



        This is a helpful guide that might also shed light on your questions.






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          In general, the longer you cook a protein at low temperature the more the texture will change. However, it doesn't just get more tender. It can get stringy, or mushy, and unpleasant over time, depending on the type of protein. Thickness and type of muscle matters when calculating time.



          In general, I cook 1 - 2 inch thick rib eye like any other traditional steak, for between 1 and 2 hours to achieve a typical mouthfeel/texture. On the other hand, I have cooked oxtail for up to 100 hours using sous vide. You can safely cook as long as you want, but there will be a point when you might not like the results.



          Rib eye is not generally considered a "tough cut". Two hours won't change things that much, but if you want to experiment, I would suggest cooking three identical steaks of your choice for three different times, then sear and see what you think.



          This is a helpful guide that might also shed light on your questions.






          share|improve this answer















          In general, the longer you cook a protein at low temperature the more the texture will change. However, it doesn't just get more tender. It can get stringy, or mushy, and unpleasant over time, depending on the type of protein. Thickness and type of muscle matters when calculating time.



          In general, I cook 1 - 2 inch thick rib eye like any other traditional steak, for between 1 and 2 hours to achieve a typical mouthfeel/texture. On the other hand, I have cooked oxtail for up to 100 hours using sous vide. You can safely cook as long as you want, but there will be a point when you might not like the results.



          Rib eye is not generally considered a "tough cut". Two hours won't change things that much, but if you want to experiment, I would suggest cooking three identical steaks of your choice for three different times, then sear and see what you think.



          This is a helpful guide that might also shed light on your questions.







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              Collagen (type-1, for the scientific folks), one of the major connective tissues in beef, begins to dissolve into gelatin starting at 55°C (131°F) but very slowly, long enough for the meat itself to become mush. The pace increases with rising temperature to about 71°C (160°F), at which point further rises in temperature don't accelerate the process much -- but that would be medium-well, a crime for ribeye. Unfortunately, collagen begins to denature at 68°C (154°F), which is also when the meat begins to constrict/toughen substantially and release lots of its juices. Cooks Illustrated suggests 54°C/130°F for 2-3 hours, but in my steak that didn't melt the collagen at all. I find the best trade-off is medium, 63-64°C (145-147°F) for 3 hours. Yes, it isn't the deep rosy and extra-tender medium rare, but most of the connective tissue vanishes and is replaced with luscious gelatin.






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                Collagen (type-1, for the scientific folks), one of the major connective tissues in beef, begins to dissolve into gelatin starting at 55°C (131°F) but very slowly, long enough for the meat itself to become mush. The pace increases with rising temperature to about 71°C (160°F), at which point further rises in temperature don't accelerate the process much -- but that would be medium-well, a crime for ribeye. Unfortunately, collagen begins to denature at 68°C (154°F), which is also when the meat begins to constrict/toughen substantially and release lots of its juices. Cooks Illustrated suggests 54°C/130°F for 2-3 hours, but in my steak that didn't melt the collagen at all. I find the best trade-off is medium, 63-64°C (145-147°F) for 3 hours. Yes, it isn't the deep rosy and extra-tender medium rare, but most of the connective tissue vanishes and is replaced with luscious gelatin.






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                  Collagen (type-1, for the scientific folks), one of the major connective tissues in beef, begins to dissolve into gelatin starting at 55°C (131°F) but very slowly, long enough for the meat itself to become mush. The pace increases with rising temperature to about 71°C (160°F), at which point further rises in temperature don't accelerate the process much -- but that would be medium-well, a crime for ribeye. Unfortunately, collagen begins to denature at 68°C (154°F), which is also when the meat begins to constrict/toughen substantially and release lots of its juices. Cooks Illustrated suggests 54°C/130°F for 2-3 hours, but in my steak that didn't melt the collagen at all. I find the best trade-off is medium, 63-64°C (145-147°F) for 3 hours. Yes, it isn't the deep rosy and extra-tender medium rare, but most of the connective tissue vanishes and is replaced with luscious gelatin.






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                  Collagen (type-1, for the scientific folks), one of the major connective tissues in beef, begins to dissolve into gelatin starting at 55°C (131°F) but very slowly, long enough for the meat itself to become mush. The pace increases with rising temperature to about 71°C (160°F), at which point further rises in temperature don't accelerate the process much -- but that would be medium-well, a crime for ribeye. Unfortunately, collagen begins to denature at 68°C (154°F), which is also when the meat begins to constrict/toughen substantially and release lots of its juices. Cooks Illustrated suggests 54°C/130°F for 2-3 hours, but in my steak that didn't melt the collagen at all. I find the best trade-off is medium, 63-64°C (145-147°F) for 3 hours. Yes, it isn't the deep rosy and extra-tender medium rare, but most of the connective tissue vanishes and is replaced with luscious gelatin.







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