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The term Citrus Fruit covers oranges, lemons, and grapefruits; all of which are very similar in skin & flesh.



Is there a similar term to cover apples and pears (outside of Cockney rhyming slang)?



I realise that Citrus comes from biological classification (i.e. it's the common genus of these fruits: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citrus).



Whilst apples and pears it seems are less closely related / you have to go back to the Rosaceae family (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosaceae) for their mutual branch, which also includes anything that blossoms (roses, cherries, almonds, and more).










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    Not to my knowledge, no, which is actually quite interesting since apples and pears are notionally very closely related in my mind. Despite being different species/genera/classes, I do think of them as being particularly closely associated with one another (more so than berries, which also comprise many different species and are more diverse than apples and pears), but I have no common word for them.

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    Stairs.

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The term Citrus Fruit covers oranges, lemons, and grapefruits; all of which are very similar in skin & flesh.



Is there a similar term to cover apples and pears (outside of Cockney rhyming slang)?



I realise that Citrus comes from biological classification (i.e. it's the common genus of these fruits: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citrus).



Whilst apples and pears it seems are less closely related / you have to go back to the Rosaceae family (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosaceae) for their mutual branch, which also includes anything that blossoms (roses, cherries, almonds, and more).










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    Not to my knowledge, no, which is actually quite interesting since apples and pears are notionally very closely related in my mind. Despite being different species/genera/classes, I do think of them as being particularly closely associated with one another (more so than berries, which also comprise many different species and are more diverse than apples and pears), but I have no common word for them.

    – Janus Bahs Jacquet
    yesterday











  • I wondered about "orchard fruit" though that includes peaches and cherries.

    – JohnLBevan
    yesterday






  • 5





    Stairs.

    – sjl
    22 hours ago






  • 1





    You actualy only have to go up to the [Malinae ](en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malinae) but that doesn't help much

    – Chris H
    10 hours ago













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The term Citrus Fruit covers oranges, lemons, and grapefruits; all of which are very similar in skin & flesh.



Is there a similar term to cover apples and pears (outside of Cockney rhyming slang)?



I realise that Citrus comes from biological classification (i.e. it's the common genus of these fruits: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citrus).



Whilst apples and pears it seems are less closely related / you have to go back to the Rosaceae family (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosaceae) for their mutual branch, which also includes anything that blossoms (roses, cherries, almonds, and more).










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The term Citrus Fruit covers oranges, lemons, and grapefruits; all of which are very similar in skin & flesh.



Is there a similar term to cover apples and pears (outside of Cockney rhyming slang)?



I realise that Citrus comes from biological classification (i.e. it's the common genus of these fruits: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citrus).



Whilst apples and pears it seems are less closely related / you have to go back to the Rosaceae family (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosaceae) for their mutual branch, which also includes anything that blossoms (roses, cherries, almonds, and more).







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    Not to my knowledge, no, which is actually quite interesting since apples and pears are notionally very closely related in my mind. Despite being different species/genera/classes, I do think of them as being particularly closely associated with one another (more so than berries, which also comprise many different species and are more diverse than apples and pears), but I have no common word for them.

    – Janus Bahs Jacquet
    yesterday











  • I wondered about "orchard fruit" though that includes peaches and cherries.

    – JohnLBevan
    yesterday






  • 5





    Stairs.

    – sjl
    22 hours ago






  • 1





    You actualy only have to go up to the [Malinae ](en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malinae) but that doesn't help much

    – Chris H
    10 hours ago












  • 2





    Not to my knowledge, no, which is actually quite interesting since apples and pears are notionally very closely related in my mind. Despite being different species/genera/classes, I do think of them as being particularly closely associated with one another (more so than berries, which also comprise many different species and are more diverse than apples and pears), but I have no common word for them.

    – Janus Bahs Jacquet
    yesterday











  • I wondered about "orchard fruit" though that includes peaches and cherries.

    – JohnLBevan
    yesterday






  • 5





    Stairs.

    – sjl
    22 hours ago






  • 1





    You actualy only have to go up to the [Malinae ](en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malinae) but that doesn't help much

    – Chris H
    10 hours ago







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Not to my knowledge, no, which is actually quite interesting since apples and pears are notionally very closely related in my mind. Despite being different species/genera/classes, I do think of them as being particularly closely associated with one another (more so than berries, which also comprise many different species and are more diverse than apples and pears), but I have no common word for them.

– Janus Bahs Jacquet
yesterday





Not to my knowledge, no, which is actually quite interesting since apples and pears are notionally very closely related in my mind. Despite being different species/genera/classes, I do think of them as being particularly closely associated with one another (more so than berries, which also comprise many different species and are more diverse than apples and pears), but I have no common word for them.

– Janus Bahs Jacquet
yesterday













I wondered about "orchard fruit" though that includes peaches and cherries.

– JohnLBevan
yesterday





I wondered about "orchard fruit" though that includes peaches and cherries.

– JohnLBevan
yesterday




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Stairs.

– sjl
22 hours ago





Stairs.

– sjl
22 hours ago




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You actualy only have to go up to the [Malinae ](en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malinae) but that doesn't help much

– Chris H
10 hours ago





You actualy only have to go up to the [Malinae ](en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malinae) but that doesn't help much

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Yes, they are pomes




a fruit consisting of a fleshy enlarged receptacle and a tough central core containing the seeds, e.g., an apple or pear.




Pome:Google dictionary.






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    As @DavidRicherby commented on another answer, be aware that the word "pome" (or "pomes") is not in common use. Be prepared to explain the word whenever you use it!

    – RJHunter
    20 hours ago






  • 7





    It might be rare, but it was in a NYTimes crossword within the last couple weeks.

    – B. Goddard
    13 hours ago






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    Google's results use Oxford BTW.

    – MCCCS
    9 hours ago


















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The corresponding expression to citrus fruit is pomaceous fruit(s):




Thus, the apple, crab, pear, quince, medlar, and possibly others are designated as “pomaceous" fruits, each having certain specific (as contrasted with general) natural characters in common. — US Dept. of Agriculture, Agriculture Yearbook, 1926.




I could not use a Google Book NGram to check for frequency because of the massive false hits for pome, but I think I’ve seen the adjective + fruit more often than the noun pome, in contrast to drupe, which appears to be more frequent than the adjective drupaceous.






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    As a very poor substitute for Google NGrams, my experience as a British native speaker is that I've never heard the word pome or pomaceous "in the wild". They appear to be technical terms in botany and I wouldn't be at all surprised if even greengrocers didn't know them.

    – David Richerby
    yesterday






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    Wouldn't be in general use, but as a gardener (who has all of that list but the medlar) I am familiar with the term, though more as just "pomes".

    – jamesqf
    19 hours ago











  • Please note: "More frequent" is relative..

    – Alexander
    11 hours ago






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    @DavidRicherby I've come across "pome" in gardening books. You're right about greengrocers, though they can't be trusted as authorities on the English language given what they do to apostrophes.

    – Chris H
    10 hours ago






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    @ChrisH Ah, yes. They might recognize "pomaceou's".

    – David Richerby
    10 hours ago


















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Regarding whether "pome" is used other than as a technical term in botany, I can provide at least one example of its general use in the poem "Old Sir Faulk" by Edith Sitwell which describes




"An old dull mome / with a head like a pome."




The poem is part of the collection Façade, written to be recited over instrumental music by William Walton.



More details and the full text may be found at: https://www.chandos.net/chanimages/Booklets/CH8869.pdf with the poem on page 16.






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    Yes, they are pomes




    a fruit consisting of a fleshy enlarged receptacle and a tough central core containing the seeds, e.g., an apple or pear.




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    • Ah nice, like the French Pommes. Thank you

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      As @DavidRicherby commented on another answer, be aware that the word "pome" (or "pomes") is not in common use. Be prepared to explain the word whenever you use it!

      – RJHunter
      20 hours ago






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      It might be rare, but it was in a NYTimes crossword within the last couple weeks.

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      13 hours ago






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      Google's results use Oxford BTW.

      – MCCCS
      9 hours ago















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    Yes, they are pomes




    a fruit consisting of a fleshy enlarged receptacle and a tough central core containing the seeds, e.g., an apple or pear.




    Pome:Google dictionary.






    share|improve this answer

























    • Ah nice, like the French Pommes. Thank you

      – JohnLBevan
      yesterday






    • 10





      As @DavidRicherby commented on another answer, be aware that the word "pome" (or "pomes") is not in common use. Be prepared to explain the word whenever you use it!

      – RJHunter
      20 hours ago






    • 7





      It might be rare, but it was in a NYTimes crossword within the last couple weeks.

      – B. Goddard
      13 hours ago






    • 1





      Google's results use Oxford BTW.

      – MCCCS
      9 hours ago













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    Yes, they are pomes




    a fruit consisting of a fleshy enlarged receptacle and a tough central core containing the seeds, e.g., an apple or pear.




    Pome:Google dictionary.






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    Yes, they are pomes




    a fruit consisting of a fleshy enlarged receptacle and a tough central core containing the seeds, e.g., an apple or pear.




    Pome:Google dictionary.







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    • Ah nice, like the French Pommes. Thank you

      – JohnLBevan
      yesterday






    • 10





      As @DavidRicherby commented on another answer, be aware that the word "pome" (or "pomes") is not in common use. Be prepared to explain the word whenever you use it!

      – RJHunter
      20 hours ago






    • 7





      It might be rare, but it was in a NYTimes crossword within the last couple weeks.

      – B. Goddard
      13 hours ago






    • 1





      Google's results use Oxford BTW.

      – MCCCS
      9 hours ago

















    • Ah nice, like the French Pommes. Thank you

      – JohnLBevan
      yesterday






    • 10





      As @DavidRicherby commented on another answer, be aware that the word "pome" (or "pomes") is not in common use. Be prepared to explain the word whenever you use it!

      – RJHunter
      20 hours ago






    • 7





      It might be rare, but it was in a NYTimes crossword within the last couple weeks.

      – B. Goddard
      13 hours ago






    • 1





      Google's results use Oxford BTW.

      – MCCCS
      9 hours ago
















    Ah nice, like the French Pommes. Thank you

    – JohnLBevan
    yesterday





    Ah nice, like the French Pommes. Thank you

    – JohnLBevan
    yesterday




    10




    10





    As @DavidRicherby commented on another answer, be aware that the word "pome" (or "pomes") is not in common use. Be prepared to explain the word whenever you use it!

    – RJHunter
    20 hours ago





    As @DavidRicherby commented on another answer, be aware that the word "pome" (or "pomes") is not in common use. Be prepared to explain the word whenever you use it!

    – RJHunter
    20 hours ago




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    It might be rare, but it was in a NYTimes crossword within the last couple weeks.

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    It might be rare, but it was in a NYTimes crossword within the last couple weeks.

    – B. Goddard
    13 hours ago




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    Google's results use Oxford BTW.

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    The corresponding expression to citrus fruit is pomaceous fruit(s):




    Thus, the apple, crab, pear, quince, medlar, and possibly others are designated as “pomaceous" fruits, each having certain specific (as contrasted with general) natural characters in common. — US Dept. of Agriculture, Agriculture Yearbook, 1926.




    I could not use a Google Book NGram to check for frequency because of the massive false hits for pome, but I think I’ve seen the adjective + fruit more often than the noun pome, in contrast to drupe, which appears to be more frequent than the adjective drupaceous.






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      As a very poor substitute for Google NGrams, my experience as a British native speaker is that I've never heard the word pome or pomaceous "in the wild". They appear to be technical terms in botany and I wouldn't be at all surprised if even greengrocers didn't know them.

      – David Richerby
      yesterday






    • 1





      Wouldn't be in general use, but as a gardener (who has all of that list but the medlar) I am familiar with the term, though more as just "pomes".

      – jamesqf
      19 hours ago











    • Please note: "More frequent" is relative..

      – Alexander
      11 hours ago






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      @DavidRicherby I've come across "pome" in gardening books. You're right about greengrocers, though they can't be trusted as authorities on the English language given what they do to apostrophes.

      – Chris H
      10 hours ago






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      @ChrisH Ah, yes. They might recognize "pomaceou's".

      – David Richerby
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    The corresponding expression to citrus fruit is pomaceous fruit(s):




    Thus, the apple, crab, pear, quince, medlar, and possibly others are designated as “pomaceous" fruits, each having certain specific (as contrasted with general) natural characters in common. — US Dept. of Agriculture, Agriculture Yearbook, 1926.




    I could not use a Google Book NGram to check for frequency because of the massive false hits for pome, but I think I’ve seen the adjective + fruit more often than the noun pome, in contrast to drupe, which appears to be more frequent than the adjective drupaceous.






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    • 12





      As a very poor substitute for Google NGrams, my experience as a British native speaker is that I've never heard the word pome or pomaceous "in the wild". They appear to be technical terms in botany and I wouldn't be at all surprised if even greengrocers didn't know them.

      – David Richerby
      yesterday






    • 1





      Wouldn't be in general use, but as a gardener (who has all of that list but the medlar) I am familiar with the term, though more as just "pomes".

      – jamesqf
      19 hours ago











    • Please note: "More frequent" is relative..

      – Alexander
      11 hours ago






    • 5





      @DavidRicherby I've come across "pome" in gardening books. You're right about greengrocers, though they can't be trusted as authorities on the English language given what they do to apostrophes.

      – Chris H
      10 hours ago






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      @ChrisH Ah, yes. They might recognize "pomaceou's".

      – David Richerby
      10 hours ago













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    The corresponding expression to citrus fruit is pomaceous fruit(s):




    Thus, the apple, crab, pear, quince, medlar, and possibly others are designated as “pomaceous" fruits, each having certain specific (as contrasted with general) natural characters in common. — US Dept. of Agriculture, Agriculture Yearbook, 1926.




    I could not use a Google Book NGram to check for frequency because of the massive false hits for pome, but I think I’ve seen the adjective + fruit more often than the noun pome, in contrast to drupe, which appears to be more frequent than the adjective drupaceous.






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    The corresponding expression to citrus fruit is pomaceous fruit(s):




    Thus, the apple, crab, pear, quince, medlar, and possibly others are designated as “pomaceous" fruits, each having certain specific (as contrasted with general) natural characters in common. — US Dept. of Agriculture, Agriculture Yearbook, 1926.




    I could not use a Google Book NGram to check for frequency because of the massive false hits for pome, but I think I’ve seen the adjective + fruit more often than the noun pome, in contrast to drupe, which appears to be more frequent than the adjective drupaceous.







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      As a very poor substitute for Google NGrams, my experience as a British native speaker is that I've never heard the word pome or pomaceous "in the wild". They appear to be technical terms in botany and I wouldn't be at all surprised if even greengrocers didn't know them.

      – David Richerby
      yesterday






    • 1





      Wouldn't be in general use, but as a gardener (who has all of that list but the medlar) I am familiar with the term, though more as just "pomes".

      – jamesqf
      19 hours ago











    • Please note: "More frequent" is relative..

      – Alexander
      11 hours ago






    • 5





      @DavidRicherby I've come across "pome" in gardening books. You're right about greengrocers, though they can't be trusted as authorities on the English language given what they do to apostrophes.

      – Chris H
      10 hours ago






    • 2





      @ChrisH Ah, yes. They might recognize "pomaceou's".

      – David Richerby
      10 hours ago












    • 12





      As a very poor substitute for Google NGrams, my experience as a British native speaker is that I've never heard the word pome or pomaceous "in the wild". They appear to be technical terms in botany and I wouldn't be at all surprised if even greengrocers didn't know them.

      – David Richerby
      yesterday






    • 1





      Wouldn't be in general use, but as a gardener (who has all of that list but the medlar) I am familiar with the term, though more as just "pomes".

      – jamesqf
      19 hours ago











    • Please note: "More frequent" is relative..

      – Alexander
      11 hours ago






    • 5





      @DavidRicherby I've come across "pome" in gardening books. You're right about greengrocers, though they can't be trusted as authorities on the English language given what they do to apostrophes.

      – Chris H
      10 hours ago






    • 2





      @ChrisH Ah, yes. They might recognize "pomaceou's".

      – David Richerby
      10 hours ago







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    As a very poor substitute for Google NGrams, my experience as a British native speaker is that I've never heard the word pome or pomaceous "in the wild". They appear to be technical terms in botany and I wouldn't be at all surprised if even greengrocers didn't know them.

    – David Richerby
    yesterday





    As a very poor substitute for Google NGrams, my experience as a British native speaker is that I've never heard the word pome or pomaceous "in the wild". They appear to be technical terms in botany and I wouldn't be at all surprised if even greengrocers didn't know them.

    – David Richerby
    yesterday




    1




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    Wouldn't be in general use, but as a gardener (who has all of that list but the medlar) I am familiar with the term, though more as just "pomes".

    – jamesqf
    19 hours ago





    Wouldn't be in general use, but as a gardener (who has all of that list but the medlar) I am familiar with the term, though more as just "pomes".

    – jamesqf
    19 hours ago













    Please note: "More frequent" is relative..

    – Alexander
    11 hours ago





    Please note: "More frequent" is relative..

    – Alexander
    11 hours ago




    5




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    @DavidRicherby I've come across "pome" in gardening books. You're right about greengrocers, though they can't be trusted as authorities on the English language given what they do to apostrophes.

    – Chris H
    10 hours ago





    @DavidRicherby I've come across "pome" in gardening books. You're right about greengrocers, though they can't be trusted as authorities on the English language given what they do to apostrophes.

    – Chris H
    10 hours ago




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    @ChrisH Ah, yes. They might recognize "pomaceou's".

    – David Richerby
    10 hours ago





    @ChrisH Ah, yes. They might recognize "pomaceou's".

    – David Richerby
    10 hours ago











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    Regarding whether "pome" is used other than as a technical term in botany, I can provide at least one example of its general use in the poem "Old Sir Faulk" by Edith Sitwell which describes




    "An old dull mome / with a head like a pome."




    The poem is part of the collection Façade, written to be recited over instrumental music by William Walton.



    More details and the full text may be found at: https://www.chandos.net/chanimages/Booklets/CH8869.pdf with the poem on page 16.






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      Regarding whether "pome" is used other than as a technical term in botany, I can provide at least one example of its general use in the poem "Old Sir Faulk" by Edith Sitwell which describes




      "An old dull mome / with a head like a pome."




      The poem is part of the collection Façade, written to be recited over instrumental music by William Walton.



      More details and the full text may be found at: https://www.chandos.net/chanimages/Booklets/CH8869.pdf with the poem on page 16.






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        Regarding whether "pome" is used other than as a technical term in botany, I can provide at least one example of its general use in the poem "Old Sir Faulk" by Edith Sitwell which describes




        "An old dull mome / with a head like a pome."




        The poem is part of the collection Façade, written to be recited over instrumental music by William Walton.



        More details and the full text may be found at: https://www.chandos.net/chanimages/Booklets/CH8869.pdf with the poem on page 16.






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        Regarding whether "pome" is used other than as a technical term in botany, I can provide at least one example of its general use in the poem "Old Sir Faulk" by Edith Sitwell which describes




        "An old dull mome / with a head like a pome."




        The poem is part of the collection Façade, written to be recited over instrumental music by William Walton.



        More details and the full text may be found at: https://www.chandos.net/chanimages/Booklets/CH8869.pdf with the poem on page 16.







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