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Suffixes -unt and -ut-
How does one say “What do you mean?” in Esperanto?How to translate “I took two pictures”?How does one translate “to make someone do something”?Is Ni povas fari ĝin! a good translation of “We can do it”?How do you say “play hard to get” in Esperanto?Short and concise way of saying “Don't we all.”Are there any professional Esperanto translators?How do you translate a row of infinitive words in Esperanto?General rule for translating a combined word like “fish farm” “car factory” “dog story”Need help in translation for a letter written to my grandfather in esperanto
I just discovered the two conditional suffixes on vortaro.net:
-ut- : la ofendutoj pardonu!
-unt- : eĉ perfiduntan mi ŝin volas mia!
But I don't understand the given exemples. Can someone help me translate, please ?
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I just discovered the two conditional suffixes on vortaro.net:
-ut- : la ofendutoj pardonu!
-unt- : eĉ perfiduntan mi ŝin volas mia!
But I don't understand the given exemples. Can someone help me translate, please ?
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LepticedLepticed
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I comment instead of answering, as it is no direct answer to your question: The conditional suffixes are generally seen as being against the norm (the Fundamento grammar, §6, fixes the morpholgy of the verb; besides that it would be illogical to put mood into a verbal form that expresses relative time), and they are hardly ever used (and then often in a joking tone). I highly recommend not to use them at all
– Cyril Robert Brosch
11 hours ago
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I just discovered the two conditional suffixes on vortaro.net:
-ut- : la ofendutoj pardonu!
-unt- : eĉ perfiduntan mi ŝin volas mia!
But I don't understand the given exemples. Can someone help me translate, please ?
translation
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LepticedLepticed
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I just discovered the two conditional suffixes on vortaro.net:
-ut- : la ofendutoj pardonu!
-unt- : eĉ perfiduntan mi ŝin volas mia!
But I don't understand the given exemples. Can someone help me translate, please ?
translation
translation
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LepticedLepticed
204
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LepticedLepticed
204
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LepticedLepticed
204
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LepticedLepticed
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I comment instead of answering, as it is no direct answer to your question: The conditional suffixes are generally seen as being against the norm (the Fundamento grammar, §6, fixes the morpholgy of the verb; besides that it would be illogical to put mood into a verbal form that expresses relative time), and they are hardly ever used (and then often in a joking tone). I highly recommend not to use them at all
– Cyril Robert Brosch
11 hours ago
add a comment |
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I comment instead of answering, as it is no direct answer to your question: The conditional suffixes are generally seen as being against the norm (the Fundamento grammar, §6, fixes the morpholgy of the verb; besides that it would be illogical to put mood into a verbal form that expresses relative time), and they are hardly ever used (and then often in a joking tone). I highly recommend not to use them at all
– Cyril Robert Brosch
11 hours ago
1
1
I comment instead of answering, as it is no direct answer to your question: The conditional suffixes are generally seen as being against the norm (the Fundamento grammar, §6, fixes the morpholgy of the verb; besides that it would be illogical to put mood into a verbal form that expresses relative time), and they are hardly ever used (and then often in a joking tone). I highly recommend not to use them at all
– Cyril Robert Brosch
11 hours ago
I comment instead of answering, as it is no direct answer to your question: The conditional suffixes are generally seen as being against the norm (the Fundamento grammar, §6, fixes the morpholgy of the verb; besides that it would be illogical to put mood into a verbal form that expresses relative time), and they are hardly ever used (and then often in a joking tone). I highly recommend not to use them at all
– Cyril Robert Brosch
11 hours ago
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la ofendutoj pardonu
According to the definition in PIV, and much like other participles, ofenduto means iu, kiun oni ofendus; just like ofendito means iu, kiun oni ofendis. Thus la ofendutoj pardonu means more or less ‘Those who would be offended should forgive.’
eĉ perfiduntan mi ŝin volas mia!
I have no idea what this means either, even without the -unt-participle. But perfidunta means ‘such that it would betray’. So perfidunta homo = homo, kiu perfidus iun.
EDIT: As Vincent Oostelbos pointed out, the example sentence probably should be parsed as follows:
Mi volas ŝin, eĉ perfiduntan, mia!
Thus this would mean something like: ‘I want her to be mine, even if she would betray me.’
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JoffysloffyJoffysloffy
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I think perfidunta(n) would be something like 'such that one would betray', as you wrote. This would describe the 'ŝin' in the sentence, so the whole thing would be something like: Even (with her) being in a state where she would betray (me), I want her as mine! A more natural translation would be, Even if she would betray me, I want her to be mine!
– Vincent Oostelbos
yesterday
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Oh, yes, that makes sense. The sentence is very weirdly phrased so I really could not parse it, but thank you! I think that makes sense and I'll add it to the answer for completeness sake.
– Joffysloffy
yesterday
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la ofendutoj pardonu
According to the definition in PIV, and much like other participles, ofenduto means iu, kiun oni ofendus; just like ofendito means iu, kiun oni ofendis. Thus la ofendutoj pardonu means more or less ‘Those who would be offended should forgive.’
eĉ perfiduntan mi ŝin volas mia!
I have no idea what this means either, even without the -unt-participle. But perfidunta means ‘such that it would betray’. So perfidunta homo = homo, kiu perfidus iun.
EDIT: As Vincent Oostelbos pointed out, the example sentence probably should be parsed as follows:
Mi volas ŝin, eĉ perfiduntan, mia!
Thus this would mean something like: ‘I want her to be mine, even if she would betray me.’
answered yesterday
JoffysloffyJoffysloffy
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I think perfidunta(n) would be something like 'such that one would betray', as you wrote. This would describe the 'ŝin' in the sentence, so the whole thing would be something like: Even (with her) being in a state where she would betray (me), I want her as mine! A more natural translation would be, Even if she would betray me, I want her to be mine!
– Vincent Oostelbos
yesterday
1
Oh, yes, that makes sense. The sentence is very weirdly phrased so I really could not parse it, but thank you! I think that makes sense and I'll add it to the answer for completeness sake.
– Joffysloffy
yesterday
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la ofendutoj pardonu
According to the definition in PIV, and much like other participles, ofenduto means iu, kiun oni ofendus; just like ofendito means iu, kiun oni ofendis. Thus la ofendutoj pardonu means more or less ‘Those who would be offended should forgive.’
eĉ perfiduntan mi ŝin volas mia!
I have no idea what this means either, even without the -unt-participle. But perfidunta means ‘such that it would betray’. So perfidunta homo = homo, kiu perfidus iun.
EDIT: As Vincent Oostelbos pointed out, the example sentence probably should be parsed as follows:
Mi volas ŝin, eĉ perfiduntan, mia!
Thus this would mean something like: ‘I want her to be mine, even if she would betray me.’
answered yesterday
JoffysloffyJoffysloffy
3,6871130
1
I think perfidunta(n) would be something like 'such that one would betray', as you wrote. This would describe the 'ŝin' in the sentence, so the whole thing would be something like: Even (with her) being in a state where she would betray (me), I want her as mine! A more natural translation would be, Even if she would betray me, I want her to be mine!
– Vincent Oostelbos
yesterday
1
Oh, yes, that makes sense. The sentence is very weirdly phrased so I really could not parse it, but thank you! I think that makes sense and I'll add it to the answer for completeness sake.
– Joffysloffy
yesterday
add a comment |
la ofendutoj pardonu
According to the definition in PIV, and much like other participles, ofenduto means iu, kiun oni ofendus; just like ofendito means iu, kiun oni ofendis. Thus la ofendutoj pardonu means more or less ‘Those who would be offended should forgive.’
eĉ perfiduntan mi ŝin volas mia!
I have no idea what this means either, even without the -unt-participle. But perfidunta means ‘such that it would betray’. So perfidunta homo = homo, kiu perfidus iun.
EDIT: As Vincent Oostelbos pointed out, the example sentence probably should be parsed as follows:
Mi volas ŝin, eĉ perfiduntan, mia!
Thus this would mean something like: ‘I want her to be mine, even if she would betray me.’
answered yesterday
JoffysloffyJoffysloffy
3,6871130
la ofendutoj pardonu
According to the definition in PIV, and much like other participles, ofenduto means iu, kiun oni ofendus; just like ofendito means iu, kiun oni ofendis. Thus la ofendutoj pardonu means more or less ‘Those who would be offended should forgive.’
eĉ perfiduntan mi ŝin volas mia!
I have no idea what this means either, even without the -unt-participle. But perfidunta means ‘such that it would betray’. So perfidunta homo = homo, kiu perfidus iun.
EDIT: As Vincent Oostelbos pointed out, the example sentence probably should be parsed as follows:
Mi volas ŝin, eĉ perfiduntan, mia!
Thus this would mean something like: ‘I want her to be mine, even if she would betray me.’
answered yesterday
JoffysloffyJoffysloffy
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edited yesterday
answered yesterday
JoffysloffyJoffysloffy
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JoffysloffyJoffysloffy
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JoffysloffyJoffysloffy
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I think perfidunta(n) would be something like 'such that one would betray', as you wrote. This would describe the 'ŝin' in the sentence, so the whole thing would be something like: Even (with her) being in a state where she would betray (me), I want her as mine! A more natural translation would be, Even if she would betray me, I want her to be mine!
– Vincent Oostelbos
yesterday
1
Oh, yes, that makes sense. The sentence is very weirdly phrased so I really could not parse it, but thank you! I think that makes sense and I'll add it to the answer for completeness sake.
– Joffysloffy
yesterday
add a comment |
1
I think perfidunta(n) would be something like 'such that one would betray', as you wrote. This would describe the 'ŝin' in the sentence, so the whole thing would be something like: Even (with her) being in a state where she would betray (me), I want her as mine! A more natural translation would be, Even if she would betray me, I want her to be mine!
– Vincent Oostelbos
yesterday
1
Oh, yes, that makes sense. The sentence is very weirdly phrased so I really could not parse it, but thank you! I think that makes sense and I'll add it to the answer for completeness sake.
– Joffysloffy
yesterday
1
1
I think perfidunta(n) would be something like 'such that one would betray', as you wrote. This would describe the 'ŝin' in the sentence, so the whole thing would be something like: Even (with her) being in a state where she would betray (me), I want her as mine! A more natural translation would be, Even if she would betray me, I want her to be mine!
– Vincent Oostelbos
yesterday
I think perfidunta(n) would be something like 'such that one would betray', as you wrote. This would describe the 'ŝin' in the sentence, so the whole thing would be something like: Even (with her) being in a state where she would betray (me), I want her as mine! A more natural translation would be, Even if she would betray me, I want her to be mine!
– Vincent Oostelbos
yesterday
1
1
Oh, yes, that makes sense. The sentence is very weirdly phrased so I really could not parse it, but thank you! I think that makes sense and I'll add it to the answer for completeness sake.
– Joffysloffy
yesterday
Oh, yes, that makes sense. The sentence is very weirdly phrased so I really could not parse it, but thank you! I think that makes sense and I'll add it to the answer for completeness sake.
– Joffysloffy
yesterday
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I comment instead of answering, as it is no direct answer to your question: The conditional suffixes are generally seen as being against the norm (the Fundamento grammar, §6, fixes the morpholgy of the verb; besides that it would be illogical to put mood into a verbal form that expresses relative time), and they are hardly ever used (and then often in a joking tone). I highly recommend not to use them at all
– Cyril Robert Brosch
11 hours ago